Hello All,
I have let my Z600 sit for about 2 months without starting it. It
cranks fine, but will not turn over. It sounds like it is not
getting a spark, but I am not too sure. Any recommendation will be
much appreciated. Thanks. Happy New Year.
Rich Baxter
Atlanta, GA
Z600 Not Starting
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Re: Z600 Not Starting
Take a spare spark plug and plug either plug wire on it, with the spare laying in contact with the engine, and watch to see if a spark jumps the gap inside the spare plug from the inside to the out or vice versa when you crank the engine.
Happy New Year
I hope this helps Rich wrote:
Happy New Year
I hope this helps Rich wrote:
> Hello All,
> I have let my Z600 sit for about 2 months without starting it. It > cranks fine, but will not turn over. It sounds like it is not > getting a spark, but I am not too sure. Any recommendation will be > much appreciated. Thanks. Happy New Year.
> Rich Baxter
> Atlanta, GA
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Re: Z600 Not Starting
Rich, Marshall is correct in testing for spark, but if you cranked it for a while you most likely pumped the gas a bit and have fouled the plug. So both will have to be removed and dried out and replaced.
The reason many of the cars in humid areas don't start right away is because the rubber cap on the High Tension plastic plug connector brakes down and allows moisture into it. This causes corrosion to form at the wire where it rests on the threads at the top of you spark plug.
This small amount of corrosion can cause higher resistance and even block the current. Which causes your plug to misfire. And, on the Honda 600 if you don't have a good connection to both plugs neither will work, as both fire at the same time and have to complete the circuit which won't happen because they can't find ground. Also, if the rubber cap to the wire where it connects to the plug connector is missing or damaged, corrosion can occur here too as well as the nut that bolts the coil to the cars frame. And so on...
Not difficult just puzzling.
What to do, make sure they have a good connection (pull the high tension wires and make sure they are clean) put them back on. Loosen and tighten the nut to the coil...
Bill
The reason many of the cars in humid areas don't start right away is because the rubber cap on the High Tension plastic plug connector brakes down and allows moisture into it. This causes corrosion to form at the wire where it rests on the threads at the top of you spark plug.
This small amount of corrosion can cause higher resistance and even block the current. Which causes your plug to misfire. And, on the Honda 600 if you don't have a good connection to both plugs neither will work, as both fire at the same time and have to complete the circuit which won't happen because they can't find ground. Also, if the rubber cap to the wire where it connects to the plug connector is missing or damaged, corrosion can occur here too as well as the nut that bolts the coil to the cars frame. And so on...
Not difficult just puzzling.
What to do, make sure they have a good connection (pull the high tension wires and make sure they are clean) put them back on. Loosen and tighten the nut to the coil...
Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> Marshall Montchalin
> [mailto:kf6pbg@...]
> Sent:
> Saturday, January 01, 2005 4:58
> PM
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> Re:
> [2cylinderhondas] Z600 Not Starting
> Take a spare spark plug and plug either plug wire on it, with the spare > laying in contact with the engine, and watch to see if a spark jumps the gap > inside the spare plug from the inside to the out or vice versa when you crank > the engine.
> Happy New Year
> I hope this helps
> Rich
> wrote:
> > Hello
> > All,
> > I have let my Z600 sit for about 2 months without
> > starting it. It
> > cranks fine, but will not turn over. It
> > sounds like it is not
> > getting a spark, but I am not too sure. Any
> > recommendation will be
> > much appreciated. Thanks. Happy New
> > Year.
> > Rich Baxter
> > Atlanta, GA
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Re: Z600 Not Starting
OOOOOooooops!!!!!!!!! I couldn't sleep all night thinking about this:
The spark plug won't fire unless it gets through the first plug so you have to ground one plug when you look for spark on the other. My brother Mark who also drove a 600 and had this to say:
"
Hi, Marshall, this reminds me of the old maxim "...it's the points, it's always the points!" and even when you think it's not the points, it's still the points. Points must be re-adjusted after initial wear-in, filed, cleaned, gapped to correct dwell and then the correct timing can be set. And, of course, we used to always carry spare sparkplugs! A nice dry pair. Jumper cables were handy to have on board, too. Or someone who can help push...in order to compression start the car. Those were the days, Gosh, It's really nice having modern electronic ignition. -- --- -- -mark "
My friends, I always used to park on a hill. Facing down hill. Good luck and as always, best wishes, Marshall william colford wrote:
The spark plug won't fire unless it gets through the first plug so you have to ground one plug when you look for spark on the other. My brother Mark who also drove a 600 and had this to say:
"
Hi, Marshall, this reminds me of the old maxim "...it's the points, it's always the points!" and even when you think it's not the points, it's still the points. Points must be re-adjusted after initial wear-in, filed, cleaned, gapped to correct dwell and then the correct timing can be set. And, of course, we used to always carry spare sparkplugs! A nice dry pair. Jumper cables were handy to have on board, too. Or someone who can help push...in order to compression start the car. Those were the days, Gosh, It's really nice having modern electronic ignition. -- --- -- -mark "
My friends, I always used to park on a hill. Facing down hill. Good luck and as always, best wishes, Marshall william colford wrote:
> Rich, Marshall is correct in testing for spark, but if you cranked it for a while you most likely pumped the gas a bit and have fouled the plug. So both will have to be removed and dried out and replaced.
> The reason many of the cars in humid areas don't start right away is because the rubber cap on the High Tension plastic plug connector brakes down and allows moisture into it. This causes corrosion to form at the wire where it rests on the threads at the top of you spark plug. This small amount of corrosion can cause higher resistance and even block the current. Which causes your plug to misfire. And, on the Honda 600 if you don't have a good connection to both plugs neither will work, as both fire at the same time and have to complete the circuit which won't happen because they can't find ground. Also, if the rubber cap to the wire where it connects to the plug connector is missing or damaged, corrosion can occur here too as well as the nut that bolts the coil to the cars frame. And so on...
> Not difficult just puzzling.
> What to do, make sure they have a good connection (pull the high tension wires and make sure they are clean) put them back on. Loosen and tighten the nut to the coil...
> Bill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > Marshall Montchalin [mailto:kf6pbg@...]
> > Sent:
> > Saturday, January 01, 2005 4:58 PM
> > To:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject:
> > Re: [2cylinderhondas] Z600 Not Starting
> > Take a spare spark plug and plug either plug wire on it, with the spare laying in contact with the engine, and watch to see if a spark jumps the gap inside the spare plug from the inside to the out or vice versa when you crank the engine.
> > Happy New Year
> > I hope this helps
> > Rich
> > wrote:
> > > Hello All,
> > > I have let my Z600 sit for about 2 months without starting it. It > > > cranks fine, but will not turn over. It sounds like it is not > > > getting a spark, but I am not too sure. Any recommendation will be > > > much appreciated. Thanks. Happy New Year.
> > > Rich Baxter
> > > Atlanta, GA
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roll starting a Honda
A few years ago, I sold a 72 sedan to a guy I knew. He was messing around and decided to roll the car down a hill to start, Well he ended up bending the valves. The Honda engine having a hydraulic timing chain tensioner, it needs to begin turning over slowly to get pressure to the tensioner, before the engine spins fast.
Greg Marshall Montchalin wrote:
Greg Marshall Montchalin wrote:
> OOOOOooooops!!!!!!!!! I couldn't sleep all night thinking about this:
> The spark plug won't fire unless it gets through the first plug so you have to ground one plug when you look for spark on the other. My brother Mark who also drove a 600 and had this to say:
> "
> Hi, Marshall, this reminds me of the old maxim "...it's the points, it's always the points!" and even when you think it's not the points, it's still the points. Points must be re-adjusted after initial wear-in, filed, cleaned, gapped to correct dwell and then the correct timing can be set. And, of course, we used to always carry spare sparkplugs! A nice dry pair. Jumper cables were handy to have on board, too. Or someone who can help push...in order to compression start the car. Those were the days, Gosh, It's really nice having modern electronic ignition. -- --- -- -mark > "
> My friends, I always used to park on a hill. Facing down hill. Good luck and as always, best wishes, > Marshall > william colford > wrote:
> > Rich, Marshall is correct in testing for spark, but if you cranked it for a while you most likely pumped the gas a bit and have fouled the plug. So both will have to be removed and dried out and replaced.
> > The reason many of the cars in humid areas don't start right away is because the rubber cap on the High Tension plastic plug connector brakes down and allows moisture into it. This causes corrosion to form at the wire where it rests on the threads at the top of you spark plug. This small amount of corrosion can cause higher resistance and even block the current. Which causes your plug to misfire. And, on the Honda 600 if you don't have a good connection to both plugs neither will work, as both fire at the same time and have to complete the circuit which won't happen because they can't find ground. Also, if the rubber cap to the wire where it connects to the plug connector is missing or damaged, corrosion can occur here too as well as the nut that bolts the coil to the cars frame. And so on...
> > Not difficult just puzzling.
> > What to do, make sure they have a good connection (pull the high tension wires and make sure they are clean) put them back on. Loosen and tighten the nut to the coil...
> > Bill
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
> > > Marshall Montchalin [mailto:kf6pbg@...]
> > > Sent:
> > > Saturday, January 01, 2005 4:58 PM
> > > To:
> > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject:
> > > Re: [2cylinderhondas] Z600 Not Starting
> > > Take a spare spark plug and plug either plug wire on it, with the spare laying in contact with the engine, and watch to see if a spark jumps the gap inside the spare plug from the inside to the out or vice versa when you crank the engine.
> > > Happy New Year
> > > I hope this helps
> > > Rich
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hello All,
> > > > I have let my Z600 sit for about 2 months without starting it. It > > > > cranks fine, but will not turn over. It sounds like it is not > > > > getting a spark, but I am not too sure. Any recommendation will be > > > > much appreciated. Thanks. Happy New Year.
> > > > Rich Baxter
> > > > Atlanta, GA
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Re: roll starting a Honda
Something else likely caused that.>A few years ago, I sold a 72 sedan to a guy I knew. He was messing
>around and decided to roll the car down a hill to start, Well he
>ended up bending the valves. The Honda engine having a hydraulic
>timing chain tensioner, it needs to begin turning over slowly to get
>pressure to the tensioner, before the engine spins fast.
>Greg
The crank 'pulls' the cam chain down on the opposite side from the
tensioner ('slack' or chain feed side).
The automatic tensioner uses oil pressure to keep the chain as tight
as possible under running conditions, but when idle the internal
spring in the tensioner is more than enough to push the arm against
the chain and eliminate slack - more than enough to prevent the chain
from jumping a tooth on either gear.
The only ways I can see causing damage is if the cam chain were worn
so significantly that the valves can lash off sync enough to leave a
valve slightly open when the piston reaches TDC, or if you tried to
push/bump start rolling forward in reverse gear or pushing backward
in a forward gear.
Mike G.
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Re: roll starting a Honda
Mike;
Go to the anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com site and look in the files
section, there is a "how to" article on changing your cam chain while the
engine is in the car. It takes about an hour or so. And I have cam chains.
Bill
Go to the anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com site and look in the files
section, there is a "how to" article on changing your cam chain while the
engine is in the car. It takes about an hour or so. And I have cam chains.
Bill
Re: roll starting a Honda
Mine are fine. Thanks though.>Mike;
> Go to the
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
site and look in the files
>section, there is a "how to" article on changing your cam chain while the
>engine is in the car. It takes about an hour or so. And I have cam chains.
>Bill
Mike G.
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Honda '82 CB900F, '84 XR200R, '70/'71/'80/'81/'82/'83 C70 Passport
Honda '86 VT500C, '97 Dream 50, Husqvarna '84 510TE, BMW '74 R60/5
Passport/C70 info: http://www.velodrome.com/HondaC70/HondaC70.html
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