Bump Starting Honda

[enerdome]

In the Mid Seventies the Z600 I purchased as a bank repo was reported
to have a "blown" engine (cost 225.00 I think). My wife was going to
pull the car back to our Redondo Beach apartment and my foot slipped
off the clutch as she was pulling me and lo and behold it started!
since a new starter was 135.00 I parked it on a Hill near the beach
every night and the parking Ramp in Sherman Oaks during work days. I
"Bump" started it in second gear for 1 year with no adverse effects.
on the flats I would just shove the car and hop in. NO, your friends
bent valves happened another way such as loose/worn timing chain I.M.H.O

[Love]

No, not a good idea.  I had a problem with idle (brake booster) and frequently poped the clutch if i was rolling to restart.  One night (but it was a good neighborhood) I did this and the car had no drive, engine running, no motion.  Turns out the axle to diff bolts had all sheared off.  What was worse, the diff flange was cracked, necessitating a removal and bottom tear down.  An easy fix, a big pain to get at.  So use the push starts spareingly.
Bruce enerdome wrote:

> In the Mid Seventies the Z600 I purchased as a bank repo was reported > to have a "blown" engine (cost 225.00 I think). My wife was going to > pull the car back to our Redondo Beach apartment and my foot slipped > off the clutch as she was pulling me and lo and behold it started!
> since a new starter was 135.00 I parked it on a Hill near the beach > every night and the parking Ramp in Sherman Oaks during work days. I > "Bump" started it in second gear for 1 year with no adverse effects.
> on the flats I would just shove the car and hop in. NO, your friends > bent valves happened another way such as loose/worn timing chain I.M.H.O

[dustyspath]

Yes. Bruce is right: only roll-start a car in emergency need.
I was never happy to do it and always shifted into second then let the clutch out only enough to engage, on my car about halfway out, then immediately push in the clutch when I felt the engine buck and start.
Also true that I could start it on the level by running and jumping in after pushing it. Once I started my 600 rolling down into a loading dock, and had to clutch it and brake it in(nearly) the same move then back my 600 out under human power because my favorite didn't have reverse. The engineers where I worked had huge windows out of their offices and they watched me push it all over the parking lot routinely at quitting time. The emergency at the time was to get home from work. Good car.
When I went to college I chose the parking lot furthest away from the building because it had a slight hill, but I was in college to learn so that's what happened. I don't push start any more, this car's too big.
BTW, I live in Portland Oregon if there's any good deals on AN600 car complete or body only? Maybe we can trade or I can help get yours going?
Marshall Bruce Dewing wrote:

> No, not a good idea.  I had a problem with idle (brake booster) and frequently poped the clutch if i was rolling to restart.  One night (but it was a good neighborhood) I did this and the car had no drive, engine running, no motion.  Turns out the axle to diff bolts had all sheared off.  What was worse, the diff flange was cracked, necessitating a removal and bottom tear down.  An easy fix, a big pain to get at.  So use the push starts spareingly.
> Bruce
> enerdome
> wrote:
> > In the Mid Seventies the Z600 I purchased as a bank repo was reported > > to have a "blown" engine (cost 225.00 I think). My wife was going to > > pull the car back to our Redondo Beach apartment and my foot slipped > > off the clutch as she was pulling me and lo and behold it started!
> > since a new starter was 135.00 I parked it on a Hill near the beach > > every night and the parking Ramp in Sherman Oaks during work days. I > > "Bump" started it in second gear for 1 year with no adverse effects.
> > on the flats I would just shove the car and hop in. NO, your friends > > bent valves happened another way such as loose/worn timing chain I.M.H.O
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[pat.eagan]

There are 2 600 sedans in Tacoma. Very rough. Not much glass but bodies look ok from the Pics I received.
Marshall Montchalin wrote:

> Yes. Bruce is right: only roll-start a car in emergency need.
> I was never happy to do it and always shifted into second then let the clutch out only enough to engage, on my car about halfway out, then immediately push in the clutch when I felt the engine buck and start.
> Also true that I could start it on the level by running and jumping in after pushing it. Once I started my 600 rolling down into a loading dock, and had to clutch it and brake it in(nearly) the same move then back my 600 out under human power because my favorite didn't have reverse. The engineers where I worked had huge windows out of their offices and they watched me push it all over the parking lot routinely at quitting time. The emergency at the time was to get home from work. Good car.
> When I went to college I chose the parking lot furthest away from the building because it had a slight hill, but I was in college to learn so that's what happened. I don't push start any more, this car's too big.
> BTW, I live in Portland Oregon if there's any good deals on AN600 car complete or body only? Maybe we can trade or I can help get yours going?
> Marshall
> Bruce Dewing
> wrote:
> > No, not a good idea.  I had a problem with idle (brake booster) and frequently poped the clutch if i was rolling to restart.  One night (but it was a good neighborhood) I did this and the car had no drive, engine running, no motion.  Turns out the axle to diff bolts had all sheared off.  What was worse, the diff flange was cracked, necessitating a removal and bottom tear down.  An easy fix, a big pain to get at.  So use the push starts spareingly.
> > Bruce
> > enerdome
> > wrote:
> > > In the Mid Seventies the Z600 I purchased as a bank repo was reported > > > to have a "blown" engine (cost 225.00 I think). My wife was going to > > > pull the car back to our Redondo Beach apartment and my foot slipped > > > off the clutch as she was pulling me and lo and behold it started!
> > > since a new starter was 135.00 I parked it on a Hill near the beach > > > every night and the parking Ramp in Sherman Oaks during work days. I > > > "Bump" started it in second gear for 1 year with no adverse effects.
> > > on the flats I would just shove the car and hop in. NO, your friends > > > bent valves happened another way such as loose/worn timing chain I.M.H.O
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[dealadayray]

Now this is the rest of the story;
What can happen when you pop the clutch in your Honda 600:  1. If the rubber dampers in the large sprocket hub is old and lose, they will break the back of the damper hub and sometimes even break the steel cover to the hub.  And this hub also holds the eccentric for the oil pump rod (get the picture).
2.  Or. The diaphragm spring in the clutch if warn can split, causing your clutch to lose coupling strength and burn up the friction disc.
3.  Or. Engine rocks, catches with an extra amount of fuel (because you pumped it a bit) and the sprocket pulverizes the rubber dampers, slaps the drive chains against the engine case which could even wedge them against the oil pump and snap the chains.   I have even seen them put a hole in the drive chain cover.
Not only is it costly to fix, there are no new drive chains, hubs are becoming about as plentiful has Hens teeth and you may be replacing your oil pump.  Miles will be your friend for the future it that happens.
So popping your clutch is not the best way to go.
But this is my opinion and it may not happen, then again I hope this has painted a picture you will be thinking about the next time you pop your clutch.
Bill :-)

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> [2cylinderhondas] Bump Starting Honda
> Yes. Bruce is right: only roll-start a car in emergency need.
> I was never happy to do it and always shifted into second then let the > clutch out only enough to engage, on my car about halfway out, then > immediately push in the clutch when I felt the engine buck and start.
> Also true that I could start it on the level by running and jumping in > after pushing it. Once I started my 600 rolling down into a loading dock, and > had to clutch it and brake it in(nearly) the same move then back my > 600 out under human power because my favorite didn't have reverse. The > engineers where I worked had huge windows out of their offices and they > watched me push it all over the parking lot routinely at quitting time. The > emergency at the time was to get home from work. Good car.
> When I went to college I chose the parking lot furthest away from the > building because it had a slight hill, but I was in college to learn so that's > what happened. I don't push start any more, this car's too big.
> BTW, I live in Portland Oregon if there's any good deals on AN600 car > complete or body only? Maybe we can trade or I can help get yours going?
> Marshall
> Bruce Dewing
>
> wrote:
> > No, not a good idea.  I had a problem with idle (brake booster) > > and frequently poped the clutch if i was rolling to restart.  One night > > (but it was a good neighborhood) I did this and the car had no drive, > > engine running, no motion.  Turns out the axle to diff bolts had all > > sheared off.  What was worse, the diff flange was cracked, > > necessitating a removal and bottom tear down.  An easy fix, a big pain > > to get at.  So use the push starts spareingly.
> > Bruce
> > enerdome
> > wrote:
> > > In
> > > the Mid Seventies the Z600 I purchased as a bank repo was reported > > > to > > > have a "blown" engine (cost 225.00 I think). My wife was going to > > > pull > > > the car back to our Redondo Beach apartment and my foot slipped > > > off the > > > clutch as she was pulling me and lo and behold it started!
> > > since a new
> > > starter was 135.00 I parked it on a Hill near the beach > > > every night and > > > the parking Ramp in Sherman Oaks during work days. I > > > "Bump" started it > > > in second gear for 1 year with no adverse effects.
> > > on the flats I would
> > > just shove the car and hop in. NO, your friends
> > > bent valves happened
> > > another way such as loose/worn timing chain
> > > I.M.H.O
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