Hi all,
I have cleaned and preped a set of front and rear hubs/drums to send
off and have redrilled at the 4X100 spacing. I would love to space
them at the 4X120 and use the ist gen civic 12" tires on it, but I
don't believe there is enough metal on the front hubs. Has any one
ever tried to have them redrilled at the 120 with success?
Also interested in what Lug sizes you would suggest length and diam?
Any way, I am interested in a later model honda 13" wheel with the
newer 100 mm spacing, if I cannot go with the 120mm. Does anyone have
a newer civic with this type aloy wheel (13") on it so I know what
years to look for?
I appreciate it
KCandtheZ
13 inch wheel suggestions for the 4X100 or 4X120 mm pattern(s).
Re: 13 inch wheel suggestions for the 4X100 or 4X120 mm pattern(s).
You will find most people in here are into restoration and not
modification. I suggest you have wheel adapters made that bolt on to
your existing hubs.
Find a buddy with some 6" diameter aluminum plates, a milling machine
and a rotary table. You will do 2 things, widen your track which will
improve handling and you can put any wheel pattern you like into play.
The other things you will do regardless of the adapters is wear out
your wheel bearings, decrease acceleration, improve top speed, better
mpg's? We once calculated a new top speed at aprox. 110 mph with 13"
wheels.
When you find someone to make the adapters, make a bunch with the
austin Mini bolt pattern, easier 10" mags to get and cheaper but they
don't fit Honda 600's.
If you are going for 13", then why not just use Mazda? They are
already 13" x 110mm pattern.
Miles
modification. I suggest you have wheel adapters made that bolt on to
your existing hubs.
Find a buddy with some 6" diameter aluminum plates, a milling machine
and a rotary table. You will do 2 things, widen your track which will
improve handling and you can put any wheel pattern you like into play.
The other things you will do regardless of the adapters is wear out
your wheel bearings, decrease acceleration, improve top speed, better
mpg's? We once calculated a new top speed at aprox. 110 mph with 13"
wheels.
When you find someone to make the adapters, make a bunch with the
austin Mini bolt pattern, easier 10" mags to get and cheaper but they
don't fit Honda 600's.
If you are going for 13", then why not just use Mazda? They are
already 13" x 110mm pattern.
Miles
> Hi all,
> I have cleaned and preped a set of front and rear hubs/drums to send
> off and have redrilled at the 4X100 spacing. I would love to space
> them at the 4X120 and use the ist gen civic 12" tires on it, but I
> don't believe there is enough metal on the front hubs. Has any one
> ever tried to have them redrilled at the 120 with success?
> Also interested in what Lug sizes you would suggest length and diam?
> Any way, I am interested in a later model honda 13" wheel with the
> newer 100 mm spacing, if I cannot go with the 120mm. Does anyone have
> a newer civic with this type aloy wheel (13") on it so I know what
> years to look for?
> I appreciate it
> KCandtheZ
Re: 13 inch wheel suggestions for the 4X100 or 4X120 mm pattern(s).
Miles;
I can get wheel spacers off the shelf for $15.00 as set. I use them on
the rear of my 600's to equal out the front and rear tracking. It improves
handling and won't bother the front end.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Miles
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:29 AM
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: 13 inch wheel suggestions for the 4X100 or
4X120 mm pattern(s).
You will find most people in here are into restoration and not
modification. I suggest you have wheel adapters made that bolt on to
your existing hubs.
Find a buddy with some 6" diameter aluminum plates, a milling machine
and a rotary table. You will do 2 things, widen your track which will
improve handling and you can put any wheel pattern you like into play.
The other things you will do regardless of the adapters is wear out
your wheel bearings, decrease acceleration, improve top speed, better
mpg's? We once calculated a new top speed at aprox. 110 mph with 13"
wheels.
When you find someone to make the adapters, make a bunch with the
austin Mini bolt pattern, easier 10" mags to get and cheaper but they
don't fit Honda 600's.
If you are going for 13", then why not just use Mazda? They are
already 13" x 110mm pattern.
Miles
I can get wheel spacers off the shelf for $15.00 as set. I use them on
the rear of my 600's to equal out the front and rear tracking. It improves
handling and won't bother the front end.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Miles
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:29 AM
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: 13 inch wheel suggestions for the 4X100 or
4X120 mm pattern(s).
You will find most people in here are into restoration and not
modification. I suggest you have wheel adapters made that bolt on to
your existing hubs.
Find a buddy with some 6" diameter aluminum plates, a milling machine
and a rotary table. You will do 2 things, widen your track which will
improve handling and you can put any wheel pattern you like into play.
The other things you will do regardless of the adapters is wear out
your wheel bearings, decrease acceleration, improve top speed, better
mpg's? We once calculated a new top speed at aprox. 110 mph with 13"
wheels.
When you find someone to make the adapters, make a bunch with the
austin Mini bolt pattern, easier 10" mags to get and cheaper but they
don't fit Honda 600's.
If you are going for 13", then why not just use Mazda? They are
already 13" x 110mm pattern.
Miles
> Hi all,
> I have cleaned and preped a set of front and rear hubs/drums to send
> off and have redrilled at the 4X100 spacing. I would love to space
> them at the 4X120 and use the ist gen civic 12" tires on it, but I
> don't believe there is enough metal on the front hubs. Has any one
> ever tried to have them redrilled at the 120 with success?
> Also interested in what Lug sizes you would suggest length and diam?
> Any way, I am interested in a later model honda 13" wheel with the
> newer 100 mm spacing, if I cannot go with the 120mm. Does anyone have
> a newer civic with this type aloy wheel (13") on it so I know what
> years to look for?
> I appreciate it
> KCandtheZ
wheel spacers
Bill,
How thick are they? Do you need longer studs?
Miles
How thick are they? Do you need longer studs?
Miles
--- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, wrote:
> Miles;
> I can get wheel spacers off the shelf for $15.00 as set. I use
them on
> the rear of my 600's to equal out the front and rear tracking. It
improves
> handling and won't bother the front end.
> Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
]On Behalf Of Miles
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:29 AM
> To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: 13 inch wheel suggestions for the
4X100 or
> 4X120 mm pattern(s).
> You will find most people in here are into restoration and not
> modification. I suggest you have wheel adapters made that bolt on
to
> your existing hubs.
> Find a buddy with some 6" diameter aluminum plates, a milling
machine
> and a rotary table. You will do 2 things, widen your track which
will
> improve handling and you can put any wheel pattern you like into
play.
> The other things you will do regardless of the adapters is wear
out
> your wheel bearings, decrease acceleration, improve top speed,
better
> mpg's? We once calculated a new top speed at aprox. 110 mph with
13"
> wheels.
> When you find someone to make the adapters, make a bunch with the
> austin Mini bolt pattern, easier 10" mags to get and cheaper but
they
> don't fit Honda 600's.
> If you are going for 13", then why not just use Mazda? They are
> already 13" x 110mm pattern.
> Miles
> > Hi all,
> > I have cleaned and preped a set of front and rear hubs/drums to
> send
> > off and have redrilled at the 4X100 spacing. I would love to
space
> > them at the 4X120 and use the ist gen civic 12" tires on it,
but I
> > don't believe there is enough metal on the front hubs. Has any
one
> > ever tried to have them redrilled at the 120 with success?
> > Also interested in what Lug sizes you would suggest length and
diam?
> > Any way, I am interested in a later model honda 13" wheel with
the
> > newer 100 mm spacing, if I cannot go with the 120mm. Does anyone
> have
> > a newer civic with this type aloy wheel (13") on it so I know
what
> > years to look for?
> > I appreciate it
> > KCandtheZ
Re: wheel spacers
Hi Miles;
6 mm, and I did have to widen the centers a bit to go over the bolts on
the drum bearing caps.
But the wheels bolted on fine with Honda stock rims.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Miles
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:06 AM
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [2cylinderhondas] wheel spacers
Bill,
How thick are they? Do you need longer studs?
Miles
6 mm, and I did have to widen the centers a bit to go over the bolts on
the drum bearing caps.
But the wheels bolted on fine with Honda stock rims.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Miles
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:06 AM
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [2cylinderhondas] wheel spacers
Bill,
How thick are they? Do you need longer studs?
Miles
--- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, wrote:
> Miles;
> I can get wheel spacers off the shelf for $15.00 as set. I use
them on
> the rear of my 600's to equal out the front and rear tracking. It
improves
> handling and won't bother the front end.
> Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
]On Behalf Of Miles
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:29 AM
> To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: 13 inch wheel suggestions for the
4X100 or
> 4X120 mm pattern(s).
> You will find most people in here are into restoration and not
> modification. I suggest you have wheel adapters made that bolt on
to
> your existing hubs.
> Find a buddy with some 6" diameter aluminum plates, a milling
machine
> and a rotary table. You will do 2 things, widen your track which
will
> improve handling and you can put any wheel pattern you like into
play.
> The other things you will do regardless of the adapters is wear
out
> your wheel bearings, decrease acceleration, improve top speed,
better
> mpg's? We once calculated a new top speed at aprox. 110 mph with
13"
> wheels.
> When you find someone to make the adapters, make a bunch with the
> austin Mini bolt pattern, easier 10" mags to get and cheaper but
they
> don't fit Honda 600's.
> If you are going for 13", then why not just use Mazda? They are
> already 13" x 110mm pattern.
> Miles
> > Hi all,
> > I have cleaned and preped a set of front and rear hubs/drums to
> send
> > off and have redrilled at the 4X100 spacing. I would love to
space
> > them at the 4X120 and use the ist gen civic 12" tires on it,
but I
> > don't believe there is enough metal on the front hubs. Has any
one
> > ever tried to have them redrilled at the 120 with success?
> > Also interested in what Lug sizes you would suggest length and
diam?
> > Any way, I am interested in a later model honda 13" wheel with
the
> > newer 100 mm spacing, if I cannot go with the 120mm. Does anyone
> have
> > a newer civic with this type aloy wheel (13") on it so I know
what
> > years to look for?
> > I appreciate it
> > KCandtheZ
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Re: wheel spacers
Let me see if I have this correct. The Honda 600 is a 4x110mm with a 10 inch tire. The first generation Honda (must be the cvcc civic?) was a 4x120mm with a 12 inch tire. If that is correct, is there an adapter/spacer already available that will get me from the 10" to 12" tire? Where can I get them and how much will they cost?
Is there a good source for interchange information? There has to be somebody out there that has documented how to upgrade to more common and easier to obtain parts. Examples: Would it be possible to switch out the front hubs,brakes etc on a 600 for parts from a gen 1 Honda? What's the options for upgrading the bearings on the wheels that I seen so much concern raised about in this message?
I want to make my 600 a dependable and usable machine without the concern that one little "special" part is going to sideline the whole car at some point in time. I also do not want to go through the next five years collecting 10 parts cars just to keep one running. (Missed that chance recently when another frustrated collector junked his four vehicles that only had relatively minor problems that he could not solve easily. They were crushed almost immediately) I see little glimmers of this type of information floating around so it must be out there. I'm definitely NOT a purest and I believe there are many more around like me.. I want to drive my Honda with a reasonable expectation that it will not break something that is non-replaceable or has to ordered from Japan, shipped by a camel caravan and will cost more than the car did when new. Mine will never be a museum piece and there is no way that I'll ever invest more money in it than it's worth. I'll scrape it
first. I would just like to settle for getting it out there to be seen. It's a great car, the forefather of every car we drive today, I want people to see and appreciate mine but right now I feel like I need to strap it down to a trailer and haul it behind my pick-up just to be sure I can get back home.
The discussion on engine cooling was the best info I have seen yet. If I continue, several of those upgrades will be added to IMPROVE and UPGRADE mine. The brief discussion on the parts numbers was also excellent but did not help my cause any. The dealers in my area were still of no help.
I would love to see more information made available on:
Adding an electronic ignition to replace the points.
Finding a different carburetor option that still has parts available on the shelf someplace.
Upgrading or just finding reasonable priced options for the brakes.
Finding ways to upgrade or replace parts of the fuel and electrical systems.
Just identifying the parts that are readily available or can be easily interchanged would be a great help to many of us.
I don't want anybody to give up any trade secrets that will put them out of the Honda 600 parts business but the longer the availability of the alternate repair options is hidden the faster the existing 600's will disappear forever. I still know of six Honda's scattered around the area within 40 miles of my home. All are complete, most have titles available and are just sitting there rusting away because there is no easy way to make the repairs they need. A few are probably beyond repair already from too many years of sitting around waiting to be rescued. Another seven are already in pieces at another location. With the price of scrap metal being so high now, many will be long gone by this time next year. Those of you who are intentionally or accidentally controlling the flow of repair information need to discuss placing your knowledge out in the public domain for others to review.
billmyong@... wrote:
Hi Miles;
6 mm, and I did have to widen the centers a bit to go over the bolts on
the drum bearing caps.
But the wheels bolted on fine with Honda stock rims.
Bill
Is there a good source for interchange information? There has to be somebody out there that has documented how to upgrade to more common and easier to obtain parts. Examples: Would it be possible to switch out the front hubs,brakes etc on a 600 for parts from a gen 1 Honda? What's the options for upgrading the bearings on the wheels that I seen so much concern raised about in this message?
I want to make my 600 a dependable and usable machine without the concern that one little "special" part is going to sideline the whole car at some point in time. I also do not want to go through the next five years collecting 10 parts cars just to keep one running. (Missed that chance recently when another frustrated collector junked his four vehicles that only had relatively minor problems that he could not solve easily. They were crushed almost immediately) I see little glimmers of this type of information floating around so it must be out there. I'm definitely NOT a purest and I believe there are many more around like me.. I want to drive my Honda with a reasonable expectation that it will not break something that is non-replaceable or has to ordered from Japan, shipped by a camel caravan and will cost more than the car did when new. Mine will never be a museum piece and there is no way that I'll ever invest more money in it than it's worth. I'll scrape it
first. I would just like to settle for getting it out there to be seen. It's a great car, the forefather of every car we drive today, I want people to see and appreciate mine but right now I feel like I need to strap it down to a trailer and haul it behind my pick-up just to be sure I can get back home.
The discussion on engine cooling was the best info I have seen yet. If I continue, several of those upgrades will be added to IMPROVE and UPGRADE mine. The brief discussion on the parts numbers was also excellent but did not help my cause any. The dealers in my area were still of no help.
I would love to see more information made available on:
Adding an electronic ignition to replace the points.
Finding a different carburetor option that still has parts available on the shelf someplace.
Upgrading or just finding reasonable priced options for the brakes.
Finding ways to upgrade or replace parts of the fuel and electrical systems.
Just identifying the parts that are readily available or can be easily interchanged would be a great help to many of us.
I don't want anybody to give up any trade secrets that will put them out of the Honda 600 parts business but the longer the availability of the alternate repair options is hidden the faster the existing 600's will disappear forever. I still know of six Honda's scattered around the area within 40 miles of my home. All are complete, most have titles available and are just sitting there rusting away because there is no easy way to make the repairs they need. A few are probably beyond repair already from too many years of sitting around waiting to be rescued. Another seven are already in pieces at another location. With the price of scrap metal being so high now, many will be long gone by this time next year. Those of you who are intentionally or accidentally controlling the flow of repair information need to discuss placing your knowledge out in the public domain for others to review.
billmyong@... wrote:
Hi Miles;
6 mm, and I did have to widen the centers a bit to go over the bolts on
the drum bearing caps.
But the wheels bolted on fine with Honda stock rims.
Bill
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Re: wheel spacers
Jamie;
Most mag rims (Aluminum) are 5 inches wide, although some are 3.5 inches
and some are 7 inches wide. I will speak to the 5 Inch wide mag as they are
the most common. The wider rim allows a greater amount of rubber to be on
the road while using the same 145X10 tire. You will lose unsprung weight,
most have a combined weight loss of about 12 pounds. Although some
information has been said that Mag rims cause wheel bearing wear, I have not
noticed any, as most of the cars I have used them on didn't have new wheel
bearings when I put the rims on. What I have noticed is that if the front
axel is removed the castle nut is not tightened properly causing the spline
to strip. This nut needs to be torqued to 165 Ft. Lbs. And, if the front
end seems to drift or pull, realign the front end, and before changing the
tie rod ends, check the pinion shaft bushings on the rack.
I hope this answered your question.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jamie St. Louis
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:37 PM
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: wheel spacers
What level of performance improvement do mag rims provide?
Jamie
http://newlivehotmail.com
Most mag rims (Aluminum) are 5 inches wide, although some are 3.5 inches
and some are 7 inches wide. I will speak to the 5 Inch wide mag as they are
the most common. The wider rim allows a greater amount of rubber to be on
the road while using the same 145X10 tire. You will lose unsprung weight,
most have a combined weight loss of about 12 pounds. Although some
information has been said that Mag rims cause wheel bearing wear, I have not
noticed any, as most of the cars I have used them on didn't have new wheel
bearings when I put the rims on. What I have noticed is that if the front
axel is removed the castle nut is not tightened properly causing the spline
to strip. This nut needs to be torqued to 165 Ft. Lbs. And, if the front
end seems to drift or pull, realign the front end, and before changing the
tie rod ends, check the pinion shaft bushings on the rack.
I hope this answered your question.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jamie St. Louis
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:37 PM
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: wheel spacers
What level of performance improvement do mag rims provide?
Jamie
http://newlivehotmail.com
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Re: wheel spacers
What level of performance improvement do mag rims provide?
Jamie
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Jamie
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