Where did my idle go?

[dealadayray]

Open your clutch, check to see the finger spring is not cracked, and the leaf spring bolts on the pressure plate could be broken all of which could be causing your clutch to bind.
Bill

[zinc2u]

Hi Bill,
     From his msg,   it sounds like his clutch is working ok.  It sounds like his engine isn't developing anywhere near the 36 hp it should and the weight of the car is bogging down the engine.   The car was working a year ago and now it doesn't after sitting ....... I think the problem may be low engine compression, carburetor,  or ignition.    If it is the carb,  you gave him some excellent advice a few days ago and he has other advice on checking the ignition & compression.
Dale
PS  Maybe what he isn't telling us is that his clutch is slipping seriously or he has the old style primary drive (with the rod-shaped dampers)  and the primary drive is slipping which  looks like a lack of power to the transmission.

> Open your clutch,
> check to see the finger spring is not cracked, and the leaf spring bolts on > the pressure plate could be broken all of which could be causing your clutch > to bind.
> Bill
> From:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com ]
> On Behalf Of
> bottom cop
> Sent:
> Friday, October 29, 2010 9:15
> PM
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> RE: [2cylinderhondas] Where did
> my idle go?
> No, it can be driven, just not very
> easily.  You can even shift gears.  It idles easily and rev > great but when you start to move, the power disappears quickly.
> When it starts to die, push the clutch back in and it will coast just as > it did before this problem > started.

[dealadayray]

Dale;
I have had the finger or diaphragm spring break on me while driving and it stopped the engine, then when I started it up it would run at half the speed and I was pushing in on the peddle to build power to go a bit more.   I also had binding when the leaf spring bolts that hold the pressure plate in place broke.  It (the car) would run ok with one broken (each spring bolt has two leafs) but with both broken I would have only half of the plate connecting and it too would slow the car.
Another issue may be that he only has one spark plug working.  Meaning half the HP, as long as both plug wires are connected the engine will run.
What really places it on the clutch is him pushing in on it and the engine revs well, then when he lets it out the engine slows to almost nothing.
Bill

[H600]

see if your mechanical advance got stuck in advance when you had it at a  high rpm or vaccum advance

> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> bottom cop
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Sent:
> Friday, October 29, 2010 11:15
> PM
> Subject:
> RE: [2cylinderhondas] Where did
> my idle go?
> No, it can be driven, just not very easily.  You can
> even shift gears.  It idles easily and rev great but when you start > to move, the power disappears quickly.  When it starts to die, push > the clutch back in and it will coast just as it did before this problem > started.
> --- On
> Thu, 10/28/10, Mark P Hatten
> mphatten@...
> wrote:
> > From:
> > Mark P Hatten
> > Subject: RE:
> > [2cylinderhondas] Where did my idle go?
> > To:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010,
> > 11:57 PM
> > it sounds like a
> > clutch, differential, or transmission is stuck in two gears at > > once problem
> > Not fun
> > Mark
> > Portland
> > Or.
> > WWW.MPHSPECIALTIES.COM
> > To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > From:
> > vacop101@...
> > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 20:49:36
> > -0700
> > Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Where did my idle
> > go?
> > Nope, mine is not a brake problem.  Wish it
> > was that simple.
> > --- On
> > Wed, 10/27/10, Brad Morris
> >
> > wrote:
> > > From: Brad
> > > Morris
> > > Subject: RE:
> > > [2cylinderhondas] Where did my idle go?
> > > To:
> > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, October
> > > 27, 2010, 6:22 PM
> > > I've run in to
> > > your problem too. I could push it with out a lot of difficulty > > > but it wouldn't go far and power ran out. It turns out the > > > calipers were stuck so yes your brakes are on. When you drive > > > they heat up and then lock up. When you are pushing it they > > > are probably cold and turn ok.
> > > To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > From:
> > > vacop101@...
> > > Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 13:39:58
> > > -0700
> > > Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Where did my idle
> > > go?
> > > I've been having the opposite
> > > problem.  My Z will idle all day long, it will even > > > rev up without any hesitation.  Sounds great.
> > > Everyone says "stand back, he's going to take > > > off".  My problems start when I let out the > > > clutch.  My power seems to completely disappear and > > > it will barely pull itself.  To keep it moving, you > > > must push the clutch back in and wind it up again.
> > > I've checked, timing, points, plugs, etc. etc. etc., > > > numerous times without any success.  Nothing's > > > causing excess drag (brakes, etc.) since I can push > > > it by hand with someone in the vehicle holding the > > > clutch down.  I've even towed it short distances > > > with my garden tractor and right now the garden tractor > > > will outrun it.  Regardless of what I do, it does > > > not get any worse, it just never gets any better.
> > > HELP!
> > > --- On
> > > Tue, 10/26/10,
> > > goinhm@...
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > From:
> > > > goinhm@...
> > > > Subject: Re:
> > > > [2cylinderhondas] Where did my idle go?
> > > > To:
> > > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Tuesday, > > > > October 26, 2010, 11:25 PM
> > > > I have never seen an idle shut off relay.
> > > > You do have a solenoid on the side of the carb and > > > > from your description,  it is working.  The > > > > car would not run if the plunger in the solenoid did > > > > not retract.
> > > > Your idle circuit may have some deposits which
> > > > are causing the problem you describe.  Can you > > > > set the idle speed to a higher rpm and have the engine > > > > continue to run?    And when you > > > > quickly depress the throttle,   does the > > > > engine respond and rev up?
> > > > Once the RPMs are up,  can you drive the
> > > > car?  Does it have enough power to drive > > > > even though it does not idle correctly?   If > > > > you don't have enough power do drive the car, > > > > here are some simple things to do;
> > > > 1)  replace the spark plugs.  Gap them
> > > > at 0.028 to 0.032 inches
> > > > 2)  check/clean the points ..... where they
> > > > make contact may have become a higher than normal > > > > resistance
> > > > 3)  where the carb attaches to the engine
> > > > (i.e. the intake manifold),  you don't want any > > > > air leaks in this area
> > > > 4)  look in the air cleaner housing to make
> > > > sure a critter has not taken up residence and left > > > > behind a bunch of debris
> > > > Since the car was running fine before it was
> > > > stored,  I don't expect the problem to be very > > > > serious.
> > > > good luck,
> > > > Dale
> > > > > I haven't run my 71' AN600 in a year so I
> > > > > pumped the fuel tank dry and pulled the bowl on the > > > > > carb.
> > > > > The carb still had some liquid "gas" in
> > > > > it.  I sprayed carb cleaner in bowl and through > > > > > jets, reassembled and put in a gallon of gas with > > > > > stabilizer in the tank.  Fired right up but > > > > > will only run wtih 1/2 to full choke at fast idle. I > > > > > let it warm up and it died when I pushed the choke > > > > > in.  It "sneezed" twice before it died.
> > > > > It was almost like it was back firing without > > > > > ignition.
> > > > > Does any one have any ideas.  I'm thinking
> > > > > the idle circuit in the carb may have gummed > > > > > shut.
> > > > > How do I check the idle shut off
> > > > > relay?