Gear shift problem after rebuild

[Rick]

Hi,
First off all sorry for my bad english. I'm from the Netherlands.
I have a n600 sedan from 1973. And i've rebuild the engine with new gaskets and seals because it was leaking oil.
I've got it working and running back in the car but now i've got a problem.
When the engine is not running i can get it in al the gears. but when it's running i can get it in first gear (and al the other gears)but i have to push trough the gears (hearing and feeling them ratteling)the clutch is releasing properly because when im driving i can get in al the gears.
Anyone got any ideas?
Thanks Rick

[Bill]

Hi Rick;
What is the engine number and chassis number for our car?
Bill

[rickvanderkeur]

Hi, could you make any sense of what i wrote. The engine number and chassis number are nXXX-XXX-XXXX and n600e-1046336.
Rick
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Bill schreef:
Hi Rick;
What is the engine number and chassis number for our car?
Bill

[Don B Laughton]

By the engine number, you have a non synchromesh transmission. (The synchro gear box engines are in the N600E 1500000 series.)  Honda's transmissions have a constant mesh design. One gear is fixed to its shaft while its opposite rotates freely on the other shaft. In the non synchro box, a "slider" which is fixed to the shaft with splines, is moved to engage large, fat dowl or wedge shaped teeth with similar teeth on the desired gear. This action locks the free wheeling gear to its shaft and sends power to final drive gear.  If The large fowls or wedges hit each other the shift will not be completed. If the engine is in the car, depress the clutch, you may not get the gears 1,2,3,4 but each time a gear is engaged, it will make it a little easier to shift to one of the others. Of course, the best time to inspect gear shifting is when the upper and lower engine cases are apart. The only thing that might prevent gear engagement would be a broken shift plate, but if you can shift in to all four gears you probably don't have that problem. Best wishes, Don Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 8, 2013, at 2:48 AM, rickvanderkeur wrote:
Hi, could you make any sense of what i wrote. The engine number and chassis number are nXXX-XXX-XXXX and n600e-1046336.
Rick
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Bill schreef:
Hi Rick;
What is the engine number and chassis number for our car?
Bill
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[2cylinderhondas] Gear shift problem after rebuild
Hi,
First off all sorry for my bad english. I'm from the Netherlands.
I have a n600 sedan from 1973. And i've rebuild the engine with new gaskets and seals because it was leaking oil.
I've got it working and running back in the car but now i've got a problem.
When the engine is not running i can get it in al the gears. but when it's running i can get it in first gear (and al the other gears)but i have to push trough the gears (hearing and feeling them ratteling)the clutch is releasing properly because when im driving i can get in al the gears.
Anyone got any ideas?
Thanks Rick

[Bill]

Hi Rick;
The chassis or VIN number is for a1972 Honda 600 Sedan built in August of 72.  The engine is from a car built in March of 1971.  The crashing of the gears is typical of the constant transmission which is in the car.  There is most likely a couple of the thrust washers that have to much wear and are causing some difficulty in shifting.  Then again, someone could have put the full synchro transmission in the constant transmission case and didn't cut enough of the fins inside of the case to allow proper shifting.  Without opening up the transmission there is not much that can be said.  Either way, the lash on the primary and counter shafts need to be measured and worked out.
 Going through the Honda 600 Sedan shop manual will give you a better idea if what is going on.
Bill