brake fluid
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brad.gale53
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brake fluid
This was probably already addressed in another post, but I'm currently going though my brakes and replacing all the seals and brake lines as well, and I'm wondering if dot 5 brake fluid would be ok to use?
Re: brake fluid
Brad,
Heres what one expert says about dot3 vs dot5 in our 600s
Steve
Heres what one expert says about dot3 vs dot5 in our 600s
Steve
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kingtrans2003
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Re: brake fluid
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When i raced circle track dot 5 fluid was the best thing since peanut butter. The peddle would fade as the system would get hot with dot 3 or 4 (air-boiling). But with dot 5 i never had to worry about brake fade and also the storage time over the winter gave no problems with corrosion. I put dot 5 fluid in all of the vintage restorations i build. Kingtransmission/Kings Klassics Vintage Auto Works. ,Mike in Weaverville N.C.
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 09:48:24 -0500 Steven Michelsen Brad,
> Heres what
> one expert says about dot3 vs dot5 in our 600s
> Steve
> From:
> billmyong@...
> [mailto:billmyong@...]
> Sent:
> Friday, February 08, 2002
> 3:04 AM
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@Yahoogroups. Com;
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> RE: [anzhonda600owners]
> Rear Brake Fluid Leaking
> Tim;
> &.
> I have attached a couple of sites
> that may be of use. They are a quick read and offer definitions of 4 > different brake fluids including DOT 5.1.
> I have used DOT 5 in
> Honda 600's and in a older Corvette I have, changing it about once every 7 to > 10 years. And I have not had wear and only limited corrosion, where > as with DOT 3 in my Corvette brake system, I was rebuilding calipers every two > years. I use DOT 3 in my 1967 truck, it's cheap and I change it > often. Newer vehicles that have ABS systems state in their factory > manuals, that DOT 5 should not be used because it will foam and cause a > spongy peddle.
> http://www.synlube.com/brake.htm
> http://www.motorcycleproject.com/motorc ... fluid.html
> http://www.gabma.us/docs/dot5.pdf
> http://www.dnd-automotive.com/chassis/brake-fluid.htm
> If you are going to
> change over to DOT 5 fluid you should flush a good
> operating system. But what do you use to flush your brake > system? Some say flush with denatured Alcohol. Since DOT 3 > and DOT 4 are alcohol based what's the difference? The idea is to > remove all the contaminated fluid. The best way to do that is to pull > all your brake cylinders and clean them. If you don't want to pull > everything apart, then just remove what you have in the master cylinder > reservoir and fill it with clean fluid and bleed your brakes. Then > remove the fluid from your master cylinder reservoir and bleed the brakes > until you see purple fluid coming out. (caution, if any DOT 3 or 4 is > left in the system it will continue to do what it is supposed to do and that > is to absorb moisture which will cause corrosion)
> 1st myth - DOT 5 is
> not compatible with DOT 3 and DOT 4. Wrong, it is a DOT requirement that > DOT 5 will still work if DOT 3 or 4 is added to the system. However, > because DOT 5 will create bubbles when agitated, it is not okay to add DOT 5 > to an ABS brake system.
> 2nd myth - DOT 5
> is high maintenance. Not when compared with DOT 3 or 4. I started > using DOT 5 in my Corvette in 1982, and have changed it twice since then > without brake failure. DOT 5 was made for the Military so they > could store their vehicles for long periods at a time. It works or > they wouldn't still be using it.
> 3rd myth - DOT 5 has a
> spongy peddle. Not at all. However, when bleeding the system with > DOT 5 you must not pump the brake peddle, it should be pushed on to the count > of 20 from the start of the push to the bottom of the peddle. When you > "PUMP" the brakes to obtain a hard peddle while the bleeder is closed, do so > slowly. And, when the bleeder valve at the wheel is opened, don't allow > the peddle to move quickly, this will create thousands of bubbles which > will take considerable time to go away.
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When i raced circle track dot 5 fluid was the best thing since peanut butter. The peddle would fade as the system would get hot with dot 3 or 4 (air-boiling). But with dot 5 i never had to worry about brake fade and also the storage time over the winter gave no problems with corrosion. I put dot 5 fluid in all of the vintage restorations i build. Kingtransmission/Kings Klassics Vintage Auto Works. ,Mike in Weaverville N.C.
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 09:48:24 -0500 Steven Michelsen Brad,
> Heres what
> one expert says about dot3 vs dot5 in our 600s
> Steve
> From:
> billmyong@...
> [mailto:billmyong@...]
> Sent:
> Friday, February 08, 2002
> 3:04 AM
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@Yahoogroups. Com;
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> RE: [anzhonda600owners]
> Rear Brake Fluid Leaking
> Tim;
> &.
> I have attached a couple of sites
> that may be of use. They are a quick read and offer definitions of 4 > different brake fluids including DOT 5.1.
> I have used DOT 5 in
> Honda 600's and in a older Corvette I have, changing it about once every 7 to > 10 years. And I have not had wear and only limited corrosion, where > as with DOT 3 in my Corvette brake system, I was rebuilding calipers every two > years. I use DOT 3 in my 1967 truck, it's cheap and I change it > often. Newer vehicles that have ABS systems state in their factory > manuals, that DOT 5 should not be used because it will foam and cause a > spongy peddle.
> http://www.synlube.com/brake.htm
> http://www.motorcycleproject.com/motorc ... fluid.html
> http://www.gabma.us/docs/dot5.pdf
> http://www.dnd-automotive.com/chassis/brake-fluid.htm
> If you are going to
> change over to DOT 5 fluid you should flush a good
> operating system. But what do you use to flush your brake > system? Some say flush with denatured Alcohol. Since DOT 3 > and DOT 4 are alcohol based what's the difference? The idea is to > remove all the contaminated fluid. The best way to do that is to pull > all your brake cylinders and clean them. If you don't want to pull > everything apart, then just remove what you have in the master cylinder > reservoir and fill it with clean fluid and bleed your brakes. Then > remove the fluid from your master cylinder reservoir and bleed the brakes > until you see purple fluid coming out. (caution, if any DOT 3 or 4 is > left in the system it will continue to do what it is supposed to do and that > is to absorb moisture which will cause corrosion)
> 1st myth - DOT 5 is
> not compatible with DOT 3 and DOT 4. Wrong, it is a DOT requirement that > DOT 5 will still work if DOT 3 or 4 is added to the system. However, > because DOT 5 will create bubbles when agitated, it is not okay to add DOT 5 > to an ABS brake system.
> 2nd myth - DOT 5
> is high maintenance. Not when compared with DOT 3 or 4. I started > using DOT 5 in my Corvette in 1982, and have changed it twice since then > without brake failure. DOT 5 was made for the Military so they > could store their vehicles for long periods at a time. It works or > they wouldn't still be using it.
> 3rd myth - DOT 5 has a
> spongy peddle. Not at all. However, when bleeding the system with > DOT 5 you must not pump the brake peddle, it should be pushed on to the count > of 20 from the start of the push to the bottom of the peddle. When you > "PUMP" the brakes to obtain a hard peddle while the bleeder is closed, do so > slowly. And, when the bleeder valve at the wheel is opened, don't allow > the peddle to move quickly, this will create thousands of bubbles which > will take considerable time to go away.
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brad.gale53
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Re: brake fluid
Thanks for all the information guys. Too many rumors floating around about dot 5... I'll definitely be using it!
Re: brake fluid
Brad;
I have been using DOT 5 in my Vette and my Honda 600 Sedan for years. The only issue I have noted is that if you just purge the system and don't clean everything there will be a chance of DOT 3 remaining in the system. A couple of pistons on my 78 Vette had to be changed out because they corroded under the seals. But that is a car that has had
D OT 5 in it since 1980. You will not be disappointed.
Bill
I have been using DOT 5 in my Vette and my Honda 600 Sedan for years. The only issue I have noted is that if you just purge the system and don't clean everything there will be a chance of DOT 3 remaining in the system. A couple of pistons on my 78 Vette had to be changed out because they corroded under the seals. But that is a car that has had
D OT 5 in it since 1980. You will not be disappointed.
Bill