--- On
Tue, 5/26/09, billmyong@...
wrote:
From: billmyong@...
Subject: RE: [
anzhonda
600owners] Re: Master Cylinder
To:
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 12:09 AM
Kevin;
I wouldn't worry about the kits and such. Purists will seek these items out to keep their car original. Keeping the car on the road with a safe brake system is at the top of the list. Honda seems to have used a larger Master Cylinder with the larger rear wheel cylinder. The same rear wheel cylinder size was used on the 1973 and 1974 I believe on the civic. So the master cylinder for these years should be about the same. Here again, there is the age factor and who still has the master cylinders for these years of Civic?
Miles Chappell, any input on this?
Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:anzhonda600 owners@yahoogrou ps.com] > On Behalf Of > Kevin Gailey > Sent:
> Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:09 AM
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject:
> Re: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Master Cylinder
> I understand what you are saying Bill and appreciate the advice. One size does not fit all, but a proportioning valve and re-plumbing my system (already planned on doing that) is a small price to pay. I know this is a sticky subject for two reasons.
> 1. People on this board make money off the rebuild kits and or completely overhaul the masters for 600 owners. For this reason I am hesitant to go further with this. On the other hand, the rebuild kit for our masters is obviously a kit from another car.
> 2. I do believe some 600 owners have found a solution to the problem but are not saying what that elusive MC is for whatever reason. I believing in keeping the integrity of our cars stock but have no problem in improving or making readily available better or equal brakes.
> 3. I am not in to stepping on any toes, I am new to this board but not project cars. I know the ins and out of BMW 2002's > (changed masters on those cars for better stopping) but now they have become too expensive as project cars. This is an experiment, I am using an MC from a 1980 civic which is short. I only paid $20.00 on ebay with shipping for this MC, so I won't be out $ if it does not work. I have not rebuilt my front Calipers and rears cost me 5.00 a side. So we will see, i will keep you posted. If this does not work, there are still options with Toyota MC's. Damn, do I have too much time on my hands? I can't get bleeder, nut, or ring or anything off my 600's MC, everything is frozen, so this led me to my search.
> Kevin Gailey
> From:
> "billmyong@earthlin k.net"
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent:
> Sunday, May 24, 2009 6:18:33 AM
> Subject:
> RE: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Master Cylinder
> riceburner006
> I too have looked at several master cylinders to replace the factory Honda 600 unit. Besides bolting the unit up to the fire wall, making it fit through the existing hole and attaching the brake lines there is one other hurdle to overcome. The stroke rod length from the peddle to the master cylinder bore end and then the length it has to push the rod into the master cylinder. If it is not right then you won't get both front and rear systems to operate properly. Then too, there is the proportioning valve that will have to be changed to meter the fluid going to the rear wheels.
> To large of a bore on the master can cause your peddle to keep pushing more fluid to the rear wheels which could cause line or cylinder failure. Like wise, if the master cylinder moves fluid to the front calipers first then the seals could be blown out up front too. Finally, if one size fit all, there wouldn't be so many different sizes of master cylinder.
> We really need this to be safe, not just fixed.
> Bill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:anzhonda600 owners@yahoogrou > > ps.com > > ] > > On Behalf Of > > riceburner006 > > Sent:
> > Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:47 PM
> > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > Subject:
> > [anzhonda600owners] Re: Master Cylinder
> > ---
> > Interesting! I'm sure many people searched,but the main stumbling block is the length! The bolt up pattern could be altered,the bore size doesn't matter too much. I searched and everytime someone says they found one that works, they won't tell us the make,model or year! Full of BS!
> > In
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > , paul tate wrote:
> > > I'm in the same boat. 73 Civic mc is same bolt pattern but too long. Late 90 ish Honda right length wrong bolt pattern. I plan to hit the bone yard in the morning. I'll keep you posted.
> > > --- On Fri, 5/22/09, kevin.gailey wrote:
> > > From: kevin.gailey
> > > Subject:
> > [anzhonda600owners] Master Cylinder
> > > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 10:20 PM
> > > I know this may be sacrilegious, but does any other master cylinders fit the Honda 600's? It looks to me as if the one on a Toyota Corolla 76-87 might fit. Has anyone done something similar?
> > > Kevin