Master Cylinder

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friend
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Re: Master Cylinder

Post by friend »

riceburner006
I too have looked at several master cylinders to replace the factory Honda 600 unit.  Besides bolting the unit up to the fire wall, making it fit through the existing hole and attaching the brake lines there is one other hurdle to overcome.  The stroke rod length from the peddle to the master cylinder bore end and then the length it has to push the rod into the master cylinder.  If it is not right then you won't get both front and rear systems to operate properly.  Then too, there is the proportioning valve that will have to be changed to meter the fluid going to the rear wheels.
    To large of a bore on the master can cause your peddle to keep pushing more fluid to the rear wheels which could cause line or cylinder failure.  Like wise, if the master cylinder moves fluid to the front calipers first then the seals could be blown out up front too.
Finally, if one size fit all, there wouldn't be so many different sizes of master cylinder.
We really need this to be safe, not just fixed.
Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of
> riceburner006
> Sent:
> Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:47 PM
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> [anzhonda600owners] Re:
> Master Cylinder
> ---
> Interesting! I'm sure many people searched,but the main
> stumbling block is the length! The bolt up pattern could be altered,the bore > size doesn't matter too much. I searched and everytime someone says they found > one that works, they won't tell us the make,model or year! Full of BS!
> In
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> ,
> paul tate wrote:
> > I'm in the same
> boat.  73 Civic mc is same bolt pattern but too long.  Late 90 ish > Honda right length wrong bolt pattern.  I plan to hit the bone yard in > the morning.  I'll keep you posted.
> > --- On Fri, 5/22/09,
> kevin.gailey wrote:
> From: kevin.gailey
> > Subject:
> [anzhonda600owners] Master Cylinder
> > To:
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 10:20 PM
> > I know this may be sacrilegious,
> but does any other master cylinders fit the Honda 600's? It looks to me as if > the one on a Toyota Corolla 76-87 might fit. Has anyone done something > similar?
> > Kevin
Kevin Gailey
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Joined: Sun May 10, 2009 12:17 pm

Re: Master Cylinder

Post by Kevin Gailey »

I understand what you are saying Bill and appreciate the advice.  One size does not fit all, but a proportioning valve and re-plumbing my  system (already planned on doing that) is a small price to pay.  I know this is a sticky subject for two reasons.
1.  People on this board make money off the rebuild kits and or completely overhaul the masters for 600 owners. For this reason I am hesitant to go further with this.  On the other hand, the rebuild kit for our masters is obviously a kit from another car.
2. I do believe some 600 owners have found a solution to the problem but are not saying what that elusive MC is for whatever reason.  I believing in keeping the integrity of our cars stock but have no problem in improving or making readily available better or equal brakes.
3. I am not in to stepping on any toes, I am new to this board but not project cars.  I know the ins and out of BMW 2002's (changed masters on those cars for better stopping) but now they have become too expensive as project cars. This is an experiment, I am using an MC from a 1980 civic which is short. I only paid $20.00 on ebay with shipping for this MC, so I won't be out $ if it does not work.  I have not rebuilt my front Calipers and rears cost me 5.00 a side.  So we will see, i will keep you posted.  If this does not work, there are still options with Toyota MC's.  Damn, do I have too much time on my hands?  I can't get bleeder, nut, or ring or anything off my 600's MC, everything is frozen, so this led me to my search.
Kevin Gailey
tommyjayallen
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Re: Master Cylinder

Post by tommyjayallen »

I replaced mine with one from a 1986 Nissan Sentra. You have to redrill one of the mounting holes on the MC. the actuating pushrod has to be extended about a half an inch
and there is the differences in the line fitting threads to deal with. It has been working fine for about 3 years. The reservoir cap does interfere with the clutch cable slightly, though.
--- On
Sun, 5/24/09, Kevin Gailey

wrote:
> From: Kevin Gailey
> Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Master Cylinder
> To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 11:08 AM
> I understand what you are saying Bill and appreciate the advice.  One size does not fit all, but a proportioning valve and re-plumbing my  system (already planned on doing that) is a small price to pay.  I know this is a sticky subject for two reasons.
> 1.  People on this board make money off the rebuild kits and or completely overhaul the masters for 600 owners. For this reason I am hesitant to go further with this.  On the other hand, the rebuild kit for our masters is obviously a kit from another car.
> 2. I do believe some 600 owners have found a solution to the problem but are not saying what that elusive MC is for whatever reason.  I believing in keeping the integrity of our cars stock but have no problem in improving or making readily available > better or equal brakes.
> 3. I am not in to stepping on any toes, I am new to this board but not project cars.  I know the ins and out of BMW 2002's (changed masters on those cars for better stopping) but now they have become too expensive as project cars. This is an experiment, I am using an MC from a 1980 civic which is short. I only paid $20.00 on ebay with shipping for this MC, so I won't be out $ if it does not work.  I have not rebuilt my front Calipers and rears cost me 5.00 a side.  So we will see, i will keep you posted.  If this does not work, there are still options with Toyota MC's.  Damn, do I have too much time on my hands?  I can't get bleeder, nut, or ring or anything off my 600's MC, everything is frozen, so this led me to my search.
> Kevin Gailey
> From:
> "billmyong@earthlin k.net"
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent:
> Sunday, May 24, 2009 6:18:33 AM
> Subject:
> RE: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Master Cylinder
> riceburner006
> I too have looked at several master cylinders to replace
> the factory Honda 600 unit.  Besides bolting the unit up to the fire wall, > making it fit through the existing hole and attaching the brake lines there is > one other hurdle to overcome.  The stroke rod length from the peddle > to the master cylinder bore end and then the length it has to push the rod into > the master cylinder.  If it is not right then you won't get both front > and rear systems to operate properly.  Then too, there is the proportioning > valve that will have to be changed to meter the fluid going to the rear > wheels.
>     To large of a bore on the master can cause
> your peddle to keep pushing more fluid to the rear wheels which could cause > line or cylinder failure.  Like wise, if the master cylinder moves fluid to > the front calipers first then the seals could be blown out up front too.
> Finally, if one size fit all, there wouldn't be so many different sizes of > master cylinder.
> We really need this to be safe, not just
> fixed.
> Bill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > [mailto:anzhonda600 owners@yahoogrou
> > ps.com
> > ]
> > On Behalf Of
> > riceburner006
> > Sent:
> > Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:47 PM
> > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > Subject:
> > [anzhonda600owners] Re:
> > Master Cylinder
> > ---
> > Interesting! I'm sure many people searched,but the main
> > stumbling block is the length! The bolt up pattern could be altered,the bore > > size doesn't matter too much. I searched and everytime someone says they found > > one that works, they won't tell us the make,model or year! Full of BS!
> > In
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > ,
> > paul tate wrote:
> > > I'm in the same
> > boat.  73 Civic mc is same bolt pattern but too long.  Late 90 ish > > Honda right length wrong bolt pattern.  I plan to hit the bone yard in > > the morning.  I'll keep you posted.
> > > --- On Fri, 5/22/09,
> > kevin.gailey wrote:
> > From: kevin.gailey
> > > Subject:
> > [anzhonda600owners] Master Cylinder
> > > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 10:20 PM
> > > I know this may be sacrilegious,
> > but does any other master cylinders fit the Honda 600's? It looks to me as if > > the one on a Toyota Corolla 76-87 might fit. Has anyone done something > > similar?
> > > Kevin
Kevin Gailey
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Re: Master Cylinder

Post by Kevin Gailey »

Thanks Tad, appreciate it!
From:
Tad Clark To:
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:31:16 PM Subject:
Re: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Master Cylinder
I replaced mine with one from a 1986 Nissan Sentra. You have to redrill one of the mounting holes on the MC. the actuating pushrod has to be extended about a half an inch and there is the differences in the line fitting threads to deal with. It has been working fine for about 3 years. The reservoir cap does interfere with the clutch cable slightly, though.
--- On
Sun, 5/24/09, Kevin Gailey
From: Kevin Gailey
> Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Master
> Cylinder
> To: anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 11:08 AM
> I understand what you are saying Bill and appreciate the advice.  One size does not fit all, but a proportioning valve and re-plumbing my  system (already planned on doing that) is a small price to pay.  I know this is a sticky subject for two reasons.
> 1.  People on this board make money off the rebuild kits and or completely overhaul the masters for 600 owners. For this reason I am hesitant to go further with this.  On the other hand, the rebuild kit for our masters is obviously a kit from another car.
> 2. I do believe some 600 owners have found a solution to the problem but are not saying what that elusive MC is for whatever reason.  I believing in keeping the integrity of our cars stock but have no problem in improving or making readily available > better or equal brakes.
> 3. I am not in to stepping on any toes, I am new to this board but not project cars.  I know the ins and out of BMW 2002's (changed masters on those cars for better stopping) but now they have become too expensive as project cars. This is an experiment, I am using an MC from a 1980 civic which is short. I only paid $20.00 on ebay with shipping for this MC, so I won't be out $ if it does not work.  I have not rebuilt my front Calipers and rears cost me 5.00 a side.  So we will see, i will keep you posted.  If this does not work, there are still options with Toyota MC's.  Damn, do I have too much time on my hands?  I can't get bleeder, nut, or ring or anything off my 600's MC, everything is frozen, so this led me to my search.
> Kevin Gailey
> From:
> "billmyong@earthlin
> k.net
> "
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent:
> Sunday, May 24, 2009 6:18:33 AM
> Subject:
> RE: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Master Cylinder
> riceburner006
> I too have looked at several master cylinders to replace
> the factory Honda 600 unit.  Besides bolting the unit up to the fire wall, > making it fit through the existing hole and attaching the brake lines there is > one other hurdle to overcome.  The stroke rod length from the peddle > to the master cylinder bore end and then the length it has to push the rod into > the master cylinder.  If it is not right then you won't get both front > and rear systems to operate properly.  Then too, there is the proportioning > valve that will have to be changed to meter the fluid going to the rear > wheels.
>     To large of a bore on the master can cause
> your peddle to keep pushing more fluid to the rear wheels which could cause > line or cylinder failure.  Like wise, if the master cylinder moves fluid to > the front calipers first then the seals could be blown out up front too.
> Finally, if one size fit all, there wouldn't be so many different sizes of > master cylinder.
> We really need this to be safe, not just
> fixed.
> Bill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > [mailto:anzhonda600 owners@yahoogrou
> > ps.com
> > ]
> > On Behalf Of
> > riceburner006
> > Sent:
> > Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:47 PM
> > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > Subject:
> > [anzhonda600owners] Re:
> > Master Cylinder
> > ---
> > Interesting! I'm sure many people searched,but the main
> > stumbling block is the length! The bolt up pattern could be altered,the bore > > size doesn't matter too much. I searched and everytime someone says they found > > one that works, they won't tell us the make,model or year! Full of BS!
> > In
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > ,
> > paul tate wrote:
> > > I'm in the same
> > boat.  73 Civic mc is same bolt pattern but too long.  Late 90 ish > > Honda right length wrong bolt pattern.  I plan to hit the bone yard in > > the morning.  I'll keep you posted.
> > > --- On Fri, 5/22/09,
> > kevin.gailey wrote:
> > From: kevin.gailey
> > > Subject:
> > [anzhonda600owners] Master Cylinder
> > > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 10:20 PM
> > > I know this may be sacrilegious,
> > but does any other master cylinders fit the Honda 600's? It looks to me as if > > the one on a Toyota Corolla 76-87 might fit. Has anyone done something > > similar?
> > > Kevin
robert jennings
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Joined: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:03 am

Re: Master Cylinder

Post by robert jennings »

Kevin don't worry about stepping on anyone's toes!! Please keep us posted on your search !
--- On
Sun, 5/24/09, Kevin Gailey

wrote:
> From: Kevin Gailey
> Subject: Re: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Master Cylinder
> To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 11:08 AM
> I understand what you are saying Bill and appreciate the advice.  One size does not fit all, but a proportioning valve and re-plumbing my  system (already planned on doing that) is a small price to pay.  I know this is a sticky subject for two reasons.
> 1.  People on this board make money off the rebuild kits and or completely overhaul the masters for 600 owners. For this reason I am hesitant to go further with this.  On the other hand, the rebuild kit for our masters is obviously a kit from another car.
> 2. I do believe some 600 owners have found a solution to the problem but are not saying what that elusive MC is for whatever reason.  I believing in keeping the integrity of our cars stock but have no problem in improving or making readily available > better or equal brakes.
> 3. I am not in to stepping on any toes, I am new to this board but not project cars.  I know the ins and out of BMW 2002's (changed masters on those cars for better stopping) but now they have become too expensive as project cars. This is an experiment, I am using an MC from a 1980 civic which is short. I only paid $20.00 on ebay with shipping for this MC, so I won't be out $ if it does not work.  I have not rebuilt my front Calipers and rears cost me 5.00 a side.  So we will see, i will keep you posted.  If this does not work, there are still options with Toyota MC's.  Damn, do I have too much time on my hands?  I can't get bleeder, nut, or ring or anything off my 600's MC, everything is frozen, so this led me to my search.
> Kevin Gailey
> From:
> "billmyong@earthlin k.net"
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent:
> Sunday, May 24, 2009 6:18:33 AM
> Subject:
> RE: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Master Cylinder
> riceburner006
> I too have looked at several master cylinders to replace
> the factory Honda 600 unit.  Besides bolting the unit up to the fire wall, > making it fit through the existing hole and attaching the brake lines there is > one other hurdle to overcome.  The stroke rod length from the peddle > to the master cylinder bore end and then the length it has to push the rod into > the master cylinder.  If it is not right then you won't get both front > and rear systems to operate properly.  Then too, there is the proportioning > valve that will have to be changed to meter the fluid going to the rear > wheels.
>     To large of a bore on the master can cause
> your peddle to keep pushing more fluid to the rear wheels which could cause > line or cylinder failure.  Like wise, if the master cylinder moves fluid to > the front calipers first then the seals could be blown out up front too.
> Finally, if one size fit all, there wouldn't be so many different sizes of > master cylinder.
> We really need this to be safe, not just
> fixed.
> Bill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > [mailto:anzhonda600 owners@yahoogrou
> > ps.com
> > ]
> > On Behalf Of
> > riceburner006
> > Sent:
> > Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:47 PM
> > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > Subject:
> > [anzhonda600owners] Re:
> > Master Cylinder
> > ---
> > Interesting! I'm sure many people searched,but the main
> > stumbling block is the length! The bolt up pattern could be altered,the bore > > size doesn't matter too much. I searched and everytime someone says they found > > one that works, they won't tell us the make,model or year! Full of BS!
> > In
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > ,
> > paul tate wrote:
> > > I'm in the same
> > boat.  73 Civic mc is same bolt pattern but too long.  Late 90 ish > > Honda right length wrong bolt pattern.  I plan to hit the bone yard in > > the morning.  I'll keep you posted.
> > > --- On Fri, 5/22/09,
> > kevin.gailey wrote:
> > From: kevin.gailey
> > > Subject:
> > [anzhonda600owners] Master Cylinder
> > > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 10:20 PM
> > > I know this may be sacrilegious,
> > but does any other master cylinders fit the Honda 600's? It looks to me as if > > the one on a Toyota Corolla 76-87 might fit. Has anyone done something > > similar?
> > > Kevin
friend
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Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:54 pm

Re: Master Cylinder

Post by friend »

Kevin;
I wouldn't worry about the kits and such.  Purists will seek these items out to keep their car original.
Keeping the car on the road with a safe brake system is at the top of the list.  Honda seems to have used a larger Master Cylinder with the larger rear wheel cylinder.  The same rear wheel cylinder size was used on the 1973 and 1974 I believe on the civic.  So the master cylinder for these years should be about the same.  Here again, there is the age factor and who still has the master cylinders for these years of Civic?
Miles Chappell, any input on this?
Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of
> Kevin
> Gailey
> Sent:
> Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:09 AM
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> Re: [anzhonda600owners]
> Re: Master Cylinder
> I understand what you are saying Bill and appreciate the advice.
> One size does not fit all, but a proportioning valve and re-plumbing my > system (already planned on doing that) is a small price to pay.  I know > this is a sticky subject for two reasons.
> 1.  People on this
> board make money off the rebuild kits and or completely overhaul the masters > for 600 owners. For this reason I am hesitant to go further with this.
> On the other hand, the rebuild kit for our masters is obviously a kit from > another car.
> 2. I do believe some 600 owners have found a solution to the > problem but are not saying what that elusive MC is for whatever reason.
> I believing in keeping the integrity of our cars stock but have no problem in > improving or making readily available better or equal brakes.
> 3. I am not
> in to stepping on any toes, I am new to this board but not project cars.
> I know the ins and out of BMW 2002's (changed masters on those cars for better > stopping) but now they have become too expensive as project cars. This is an > experiment, I am using an MC from a 1980 civic which is short. I only paid > $20.00 on ebay with shipping for this MC, so I won't be out $ if it does not > work.  I have not rebuilt my front Calipers and rears cost me 5.00 a > side.  So we will see, i will keep you posted.  If this does not > work, there are still options with Toyota MC's.  Damn, do I have too much > time on my hands?  I can't get bleeder, nut, or ring or anything off my > 600's MC, everything is frozen, so this led me to my search.
> Kevin
> Gailey
> From:
> "billmyong@earthlin k.net"
>
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent:
> Sunday, May 24, 2009 6:18:33
> AM
> Subject:
> RE:
> [anzhonda600owners] Re: Master Cylinder
> riceburner006
> I too have looked at several master cylinders to replace
> the factory Honda 600 unit.  Besides bolting the unit up to the fire > wall, making it fit through the existing hole and attaching the brake lines > there is one other hurdle to overcome.  The stroke rod length from > the peddle to the master cylinder bore end and then the length it has to push > the rod into the master cylinder.  If it is not right then you won't > get both front and rear systems to operate properly.  Then too, > there is the proportioning valve that will have to be changed to meter the > fluid going to the rear wheels.
>     To large of a bore on the master can cause
> your peddle to keep pushing more fluid to the rear wheels which could > cause line or cylinder failure.  Like wise, if the master cylinder moves > fluid to the front calipers first then the seals could be blown out up front > too.  Finally, if one size fit all, there wouldn't be so many > different sizes of master cylinder.
> We really need this to be safe, not just
> fixed.
> Bill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > anzhonda600owners@
> > yahoogroups. com [mailto:anzhonda600 owners@yahoogrou > > ps.com > > ] > > On Behalf Of
> > riceburner006
> > Sent:
> > Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:47
> > PM
> > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > Subject:
> > [anzhonda600owners] Re: Master Cylinder
> > ---
> > Interesting! I'm sure many people searched,but the main stumbling > > block is the length! The bolt up pattern could be altered,the bore size > > doesn't matter too much. I searched and everytime someone says they found > > one that works, they won't tell us the make,model or year! Full of BS!
> > In
> > anzhonda600owners@
> > yahoogroups. com
> > , paul tate wrote:
> > I'm in the same boat.  73 Civic mc is same bolt pattern but too > > long.  Late 90 ish Honda right length wrong bolt pattern.  I plan > > to hit the bone yard in the morning.  I'll keep you posted.
> > > --- On Fri, 5/22/09, kevin.gailey
> > wrote:
> > > From: kevin.gailey > ...>
> > > Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Master Cylinder
> > > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@
> > yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 10:20 PM
> > > I
> > know this may be sacrilegious, but does any other master cylinders fit the > > Honda 600's? It looks to me as if the one on a Toyota Corolla 76-87 might > > fit. Has anyone done something similar?
> > Kevin
paul tate
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Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:03 pm

Re: Master Cylinder

Post by paul tate »

Hi guys.
I went to an import auto parts store several weeks ago to purchase a master cylinder for a 73 civic hoping with a little re-plumbing I would be in business.  Providing they actually produced the correct part, the bolt pattern was the same as the 600's but it was about 1/2" to long and would interfere with the heat exchanger/ exhaust.
--- On
Tue, 5/26/09, billmyong@...

wrote:
From: billmyong@...
Subject: RE: [
anzhonda
600owners] Re: Master Cylinder
To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 12:09 AM
Kevin;
I wouldn't worry about the kits and such.  Purists will seek these items out to keep their car original.  Keeping the car on the road with a safe brake system is at the top of the list.  Honda seems to have used a larger Master Cylinder with the larger rear wheel cylinder.  The same rear wheel cylinder size was used on the 1973 and 1974 I believe on the civic.  So the master cylinder for these years should be about the same.  Here again, there is the age factor and who still has the master cylinders for these years of Civic?
Miles Chappell, any input on this?
Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:anzhonda600 owners@yahoogrou ps.com] > On Behalf Of > Kevin Gailey > Sent:
> Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:09 AM
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject:
> Re: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Master Cylinder
> I understand what you are saying Bill and appreciate the advice.  One size does not fit all, but a proportioning valve and re-plumbing my  system (already planned on doing that) is a small price to pay.  I know this is a sticky subject for two reasons.
> 1.  People on this board make money off the rebuild kits and or completely overhaul the masters for 600 owners. For this reason I am hesitant to go further with this.  On the other hand, the rebuild kit for our masters is obviously a kit from another car.
> 2. I do believe some 600 owners have found a solution to the problem but are not saying what that elusive MC is for whatever reason.  I believing in keeping the integrity of our cars stock but have no problem in improving or making readily available better or equal brakes.
> 3. I am not in to stepping on any toes, I am new to this board but not project cars.  I know the ins and out of BMW 2002's > (changed masters on those cars for better stopping) but now they have become too expensive as project cars. This is an experiment, I am using an MC from a 1980 civic which is short. I only paid $20.00 on ebay with shipping for this MC, so I won't be out $ if it does not work.  I have not rebuilt my front Calipers and rears cost me 5.00 a side.  So we will see, i will keep you posted.  If this does not work, there are still options with Toyota MC's.  Damn, do I have too much time on my hands?  I can't get bleeder, nut, or ring or anything off my 600's MC, everything is frozen, so this led me to my search.
> Kevin Gailey
> From:
> "billmyong@earthlin k.net"
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent:
> Sunday, May 24, 2009 6:18:33 AM
> Subject:
> RE: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Master Cylinder
> riceburner006
> I too have looked at several master cylinders to replace the factory Honda 600 unit.  Besides bolting the unit up to the fire wall, making it fit through the existing hole and attaching the brake lines there is one other hurdle to overcome.  The stroke rod length from the peddle to the master cylinder bore end and then the length it has to push the rod into the master cylinder.  If it is not right then you won't get both front and rear systems to operate properly.  Then too, there is the proportioning valve that will have to be changed to meter the fluid going to the rear wheels.
>     To large of a bore on the master can cause your peddle to keep pushing more fluid to the rear wheels which could cause line or cylinder failure.  Like wise, if the master cylinder moves fluid to the front calipers first then the seals could be blown out up front too.  Finally, if one size fit all, there wouldn't be so many different sizes of master cylinder.
> We really need this to be safe, not just fixed.
> Bill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:anzhonda600 owners@yahoogrou > > ps.com > > ] > > On Behalf Of > > riceburner006 > > Sent:
> > Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:47 PM
> > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > Subject:
> > [anzhonda600owners] Re: Master Cylinder
> > ---
> > Interesting! I'm sure many people searched,but the main stumbling block is the length! The bolt up pattern could be altered,the bore size doesn't matter too much. I searched and everytime someone says they found one that works, they won't tell us the make,model or year! Full of BS!
> > In
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > , paul tate wrote:
> > > I'm in the same boat.  73 Civic mc is same bolt pattern but too long.  Late 90 ish Honda right length wrong bolt pattern.  I plan to hit the bone yard in the morning.  I'll keep you posted.
> > > --- On Fri, 5/22/09, kevin.gailey wrote:
> > > From: kevin.gailey
> > > Subject:
> > [anzhonda600owners] Master Cylinder
> > > To:
> > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 10:20 PM
> > > I know this may be sacrilegious, but does any other master cylinders fit the Honda 600's? It looks to me as if the one on a Toyota Corolla 76-87 might fit. Has anyone done something similar?
> > > Kevin
Mark Beckwith
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New here

Post by Mark Beckwith »

Hi - I just joined this group.
I have an N600 sitting in the tall grass and am going to get started on an electric conversion.  I may have running gear parts available as I dismantle it.  Let me know your needs.  It also came with a spare motor.  That makes 2 I won't need.
I will post 2 separate questions in 2 subsequent emails.  Thanks in advance for your wisdom/knowledge pool.
Mark Beckwith
Bartlesville OK
Mark Beckwith
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How to unfreeze N600 drum brakes?

Post by Mark Beckwith »

I got 3 of the 4 wheels turning.  The right rear I can't get to turn (rusted solid I suspect).  Any ideas on how to break that bad boy loose?  Can't seem to get a liquid wrench straw in where it will do any good.
Mark Beckwith
Bartlesville OK
Mark Beckwith
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How to unlock N600 steering column?

Post by Mark Beckwith »

So I can't get that right rear wheel turning.
I got the back of the car up on a dolly so I can roll it anyway.
Unfortunately, because the dang steering column is locked, I can only push it back and forth :)
I have no idea if I have an ignition key for this car.  Any ideas on disabling the steering column lock without the key?
Mark Beckwith
Bartlesville OK
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