Valve Lash Caps

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lyletrudell
Posts: 56
Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:54 pm

Re: Valve Lash Caps

Post by lyletrudell »

I got the lash caps today.
They dont fit, the cap inside diameter checks 6.27mm or .247" which would be good for a 6mm or .236" valve stem.
Our valve stems are 6.60mm or .260".
I don't want to have to grind the valve stems under size.
He is checking to see if he has 6.5mm caps.
The cap will add .075" to the valve length.
Lyle
--- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, "lyletrudell" wrote:
> Hi John, thanks for the information.
> They look like they are the right ID.
> The OD really doesn't matter much.
> Thickness could be ground to what we need.
> I will get the set of 16, I need 8 for my 2 engines.
> Not sure what cam I will be using yet.
> Lyle
> --- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, "John" wrote:
> > Hi Lyle,
> > I used Batten Performance 6.5mm lash caps with my reground camshaft. There are some on eBay now.
> > John
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
]On Behalf Of lyletrudell
> > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 7:58 AM
> > > To:
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Valve Lash Caps
> > > Hi Blake, I think Marshall was talking about the Steel rod available in
> > > the UK. "Silver steel" it's just a tool steel rod that is hardened and
> > > ground to an accurate size. We call them drill blanks or reamer blanks in
> > > the USA.
> > > Very common, I use them all the time for fixturing and tooling.
> > > So the caps like Bill talked about are the cheapest and easiest way to fix
> > > this?
> > > Our valve stem diameter checks 6.6mm or (.260") whatever that size is!
> > > How can we use a Ford 11/32"(.343")diameter cap?
> > > Plus the Ford cap has a (.050-.080") thick wall, we need about (.020")?
> > > Lyle
> > > --- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, blake neilson
> > > wrote:
> > > > Plenty of auto engines have used them.� Some take the place of the
> > > retainer and some are used under the valve spring in the spring pocket.� I
> > > favor the latter as they are heavier than a simple retainer and so when used
> > > in place of a retainer add a lot of mass to the moving parts of the valve
> > > train.
> > > > Blake
> > > > --- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, "lyletrudell"
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Hi Marshall, if I was going to design the lash caps I would use .312"
> > > dia tool steel .250" long. Then machine a .262" dia flat bottom hole about
> > > .225" deep. This would leave a .025" wall.
> > > > > Then harden to 55Rc and grind and polish the top surface.
> > > > > Then do what Bill said about checking clearance. Grind valve ends to
> > > get the clearance in the middle of the travel of the rocker arm eccentric.
> > > > > Lyle
> > > > > > > --- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, wrote:
> > > > > > > > Lash caps work, I have used them on reground cam shafts with
> > > great success.
> > > > > > > > They put back the material removed allowing the rocker arm
> > > eccentric to
> > > > > > > > make the necessary adjustment. The first question is "How do you
> > > know what
> > > > > > > > size to use?" I put the valve train assembly together and
> > > measure with a
> > > > > > > > feeler gauge while each of the rocker arm shafts are in the open
> > > or High
> > > > > > > > side giving the most room between the cam and the rocker arm.
> > > Then measure
> > > > > > > > the thickness of the valve end of each rocker arm and grinding
> > > to make them
> > > > > > > > all even. This will give you a reference to base the size
> > > (thickness) of
> > > > > > > > the lash cap. Place over the valve stem, reassemble the valve
> > > train and
> > > > > > > > check for fit and adjustment.
> > > > > > > > Lash caps allow oil under and on top of the cap, which seemed to
> > > make the
> > > > > > > > valves much quieter.
> > > > > > > > Bill
lyletrudell
Posts: 56
Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:54 pm

Re: Valve Lash Caps

Post by lyletrudell »

I will be returning the lash caps.
They are the only size he has, the bag was marked 6mm, but he says they are 6.5mm......measurements don't lie!!!
He will refund my money.
Be careful when getting caps, make sure the ID is checked before buying.
Lyle
--- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, "lyletrudell" wrote:
> I got the lash caps today.
> They dont fit, the cap inside diameter checks 6.27mm or .247" which would be good for a 6mm or .236" valve stem.
> Our valve stems are 6.60mm or .260".
> I don't want to have to grind the valve stems under size.
> He is checking to see if he has 6.5mm caps.
> The cap will add .075" to the valve length.
> Lyle
> --- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, "lyletrudell" wrote:
> > Hi John, thanks for the information.
> > They look like they are the right ID.
> > The OD really doesn't matter much.
> > Thickness could be ground to what we need.
> > I will get the set of 16, I need 8 for my 2 engines.
> > Not sure what cam I will be using yet.
> > Lyle
> > --- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, "John" wrote:
> > > Hi Lyle,
> > > I used Batten Performance 6.5mm lash caps with my reground camshaft. There are some on eBay now.
> > > John
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
]On Behalf Of lyletrudell
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 7:58 AM
> > > > To:
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Valve Lash Caps
> > > > Hi Blake, I think Marshall was talking about the Steel rod available in
> > > > the UK. "Silver steel" it's just a tool steel rod that is hardened and
> > > > ground to an accurate size. We call them drill blanks or reamer blanks in
> > > > the USA.
> > > > Very common, I use them all the time for fixturing and tooling.
> > > > So the caps like Bill talked about are the cheapest and easiest way to fix
> > > > this?
> > > > Our valve stem diameter checks 6.6mm or (.260") whatever that size is!
> > > > How can we use a Ford 11/32"(.343")diameter cap?
> > > > Plus the Ford cap has a (.050-.080") thick wall, we need about (.020")?
> > > > Lyle
> > > > --- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, blake neilson
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Plenty of auto engines have used them.� Some take the place of the
> > > > retainer and some are used under the valve spring in the spring pocket.� I
> > > > favor the latter as they are heavier than a simple retainer and so when used
> > > > in place of a retainer add a lot of mass to the moving parts of the valve
> > > > train.
> > > > > Blake
> > > > > --- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, "lyletrudell"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Marshall, if I was going to design the lash caps I would use .312"
> > > > dia tool steel .250" long. Then machine a .262" dia flat bottom hole about
> > > > .225" deep. This would leave a .025" wall.
> > > > > > Then harden to 55Rc and grind and polish the top surface.
> > > > > > Then do what Bill said about checking clearance. Grind valve ends to
> > > > get the clearance in the middle of the travel of the rocker arm eccentric.
> > > > > > Lyle
> > > > > > > > --- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Lash caps work, I have used them on reground cam shafts with
> > > > great success.
> > > > > > > > > They put back the material removed allowing the rocker arm
> > > > eccentric to
> > > > > > > > > make the necessary adjustment. The first question is "How do you
> > > > know what
> > > > > > > > > size to use?" I put the valve train assembly together and
> > > > measure with a
> > > > > > > > > feeler gauge while each of the rocker arm shafts are in the open
> > > > or High
> > > > > > > > > side giving the most room between the cam and the rocker arm.
> > > > Then measure
> > > > > > > > > the thickness of the valve end of each rocker arm and grinding
> > > > to make them
> > > > > > > > > all even. This will give you a reference to base the size
> > > > (thickness) of
> > > > > > > > > the lash cap. Place over the valve stem, reassemble the valve
> > > > train and
> > > > > > > > > check for fit and adjustment.
> > > > > > > > > Lash caps allow oil under and on top of the cap, which seemed to
> > > > make the
> > > > > > > > > valves much quieter.
> > > > > > > > > Bill
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