Red Honda N600 roars

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Robert James
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Re: Red Honda N600 roars

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Quick question on gas tank cap - should I soak in vinegar as well? �Do I also use the 'kit' on the cap also?
Thanks for any input.
Bob
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Robert James
Very good idea.
> About how long before sealer sets - 10 min / 5 min ?
> Bob
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Eric Geiger
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> wrote:
> > �
> > Take a coat hanger and push it through the intake tube. �It'll pop any clogs before the sealer sets. Or compressed air.�
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> > On Jun 10, 2013, at 8:30 AM, "Robert James" > rjamesblues@...
> > > wrote:
> > > �
> > > Okay. �I let it soak all night. �Will dump out vinegar and follow your directions. �Looks like today is tank day - all day! �
> > > I have not yet seen what the sealer looks like and how thick it is ( thick like molasses or thin like water ) but I imagine I put some sealer in the intake tube . �Any chance the sealer will clog it up? ��
> > > I realize these may be silly questions, but for my 'first tank', I want to get it right!
> > > Bob
> > > On Sunday, June 9, 2013, Bill wrote:
> > > > �
> > > > Hi Bob;
> > > > �
> > > > ���
> > > > Shake the chain in the tank without the cleaner.� Then pour it in and slosh it around to clean everything up.� Check the inside and see if it looks clean.� You may have to do this a couple > > > > of times to make sure all the rust is out.� Then check the outside to see if there is an leakage.� Often the rust will make your tank have small rust holes�which will open up�once the rust is removed.�� The sealer should plug any of these up.� But here again, > > > > follow the directions, you may have to seal the tank a couple of times.
> > > > �
> > > > Bill
> > > > From:
> > > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:
> > > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > ]
> > > > On Behalf Of
> > > > Robert James
> > > > Sent:
> > > > Sunday, June 09, 2013 6:13 PM
> > > > To:
> > > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject:
> > > > Re: [anzhonda600owners] Re: Red Honda N600 roars
> > > > �
> > > > Thanks bill.
> > > > Should�I pour some vinegar out into another container so it's not so heavy! �Kinda hard to shake with 5 gallons of vinegar in the tank.
> > > > As for sealing openings, duct tape?
> > > > I hope to save the meter gasket as it is in good condition.
> > > > Bob
> > > > On Sunday, June 9, 2013, Bill wrote:
> > > > > �
> > > > > Hi Bob;
> > > > > �
> > > > > It sounds like you are having fun.� The real problem with rust in a gas tank is the pockets of what is known as "dust rust".� �It's in pockets anywhere in the gas tank and the chain is supposed > > > > > to be used to pop them.� Then using any type of etch (you�chose vinegar) to clean up the pockets.��I like to use steel ball bearings 3/4 in or larger and along with the chain�shake the tank for a while.� 20 minutes or so.� Then use the etch that comes with > > > > > the tank sealer kit sold by Hirsch Auto Supply �and follow their instructions.� And yes, seal up the filler opening and stick a long wire down the pickup tube.� When it says to rinse the etch out, rinse it twice to make sure it is all out and allow it to dry.� > > > > > Remember, prep is everything.�
> > > > > �
> > > > > Bill
> > > > > �
> > > > > From:
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> > > > > [mailto:
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> > > > > ]
> > > > > On Behalf Of
> > > > > bobs600honda
> > > > > Sent:
> > > > > Sunday, June 09, 2013 4:50 PM
> > > > > To:
> > > > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject:
> > > > > [anzhonda600owners] Re: Red Honda N600 roars
> > > > > �
> > > > > Ok - pulled the tank this afternoon! All went well, and thanks to the comments of the group, I had a clear set of steps to follow. No problems really, only took about an hour (I work slow!).
> > > > > Now for some silly questions on the vinegar soaking....
> > > > > There didn't appear to be a lot of rust, but plenty of 'crud'.
> > > > > I put in three gallons along with the 2 ft of chain and sloshed it around.
> > > > > How concerned should I be about removing all rust? That is, if I want to soak the entire interior of the tank, do I seal the filler tube opening and gas level float opening, fuel outlet to pump, etc. and turn the tank 'upside down"?
> > > > > And, should I keep the tank (with vinegar) in the garage (which has a gas fired water heater) or put the tank outside (in the sun or the shade)?
> > > > > Thanks for any thoughts.
> > > > > Bob
> > > > > --- In
> > > > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > , "bobs600honda" wrote:
> > > > > > On my way to the store to get some apple cider vinegar!
> > > > > > How long did you keep the vinegar in the tank (several days / hours )?
> > > > > > Also, I have read that some put drywall screws (or ball bearings / pieces of chain) and slosh them around to break up pockets of rust. Did you try something like that?
> > > > > > I got the tank kit in the mail last week, so just need to pull the tank and start the process!
> > > > > > Thanks for any info.
> > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > --- In
> > > > > anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > , notrace07@ wrote:
> > > > > > > Apple cider vinegar works and is cheap, it will take several gallons. After you get it to where your happy then I would use Bill Hirsch motorcycle tank repair kit. I've had good luck with the stuff but don't rush the steps or the sealer will not stick properly.
> > > > > Total cost is about $75.
> > > > > > > Bill Hirsch tank kit is $50 including shipping to your door
> > > > > > > Kurt
> > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Herbert McCoy wrote:
> > > > > > > > What did you use to clean tank?
> > > > > > > > Herb
> > > > > > > > From: Mark P Hatten
> > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 11:35 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Red Honda N600 roars
> > > > > > > > After sitting unused since 1993 this 1970 Honda n600 comes alive. Brakes are rebuilt, gas tank cleaned, new clutch, rebuilt carburetor,
Bill
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Re: Red Honda N600 roars

Post by Bill »

Bob;
No to the gas cap, and the instructions normally say pour in all the sealer.  Slosh it around for 10 to 15 minutes.  The pour it out (back into the can) and let it dry for 24 hours.  Then pour in the sealer again, slosh it around again and pour it back into the can.  Let it dry again for 24 hours.  clear out the pickup tube and put it back together.
Drying times for the etch and sealer are very important.
Don't hurry this along as each requires a dry surface to work.
Bill
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