Heat and Driving long distances in the 600?

infinkc · Post by **infinkc** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:41 pm

Currently its been about 95-100F lately out and i havent driven my 600
much, i was wondering if it will be ok to drive the car about 35 miles
in the heat? Anything i should do to help it out? im thinking an oil
cooler

Kevin Lister · Post by **Kevin Lister** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:04 pm

Yes, it's been hot up here in the Santa Cruz Mountains as well.
I was worried about driving my 600 in the heat as well. I was wondering if anyone on the group has ever installed an oil cooler also.
kev
infinkc wrote:
Currently its been about 95-100F lately out and i havent driven my 600
much, i was wondering if it will be ok to drive the car about 35 miles
in the heat? Anything i should do to help it out? im thinking an oil
cooler
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Miles · Post by **Miles** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:37 pm

I like to run an electric cooling fan on my 600 in place of the belt
drive fan. I bust out all the supports inside the stock fan and put a
Honda GL1000 fan in place. No more belt, no squeeking, no cut in half
clutch cable.
Kevin, Bill Colford is the oil cooler king in here, but I can make
the parts for you if you don't weld.
Miles

friend · Post by **friend** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:40 pm

Put on an oil cooler.
Bill
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To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Heat and Driving long distances in the 600?
Currently its been about 95-100F lately out and i havent driven my 600
much, i was wondering if it will be ok to drive the car about 35 miles
in the heat? Anything i should do to help it out? im thinking an oil
cooler

infinkc · Post by **infinkc** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:25 am

Miles- do you have any pictures of the electric fan inplace? thanks!

--- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "Miles" wrote:
> I like to run an electric cooling fan on my 600 in place of the
belt
> drive fan. I bust out all the supports inside the stock fan and
put a
> Honda GL1000 fan in place. No more belt, no squeeking, no cut in
half
> clutch cable.
> Kevin, Bill Colford is the oil cooler king in here, but I can make
> the parts for you if you don't weld.
> Miles
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, Kevin Lister
> wrote:
> > Yes, it's been hot up here in the Santa Cruz Mountains as well.
> > I was worried about driving my 600 in the heat as well. I was
> wondering if anyone on the group has ever installed an oil cooler
> also.
> > kev
> > infinkc wrote:
> > Currently its been about 95-100F lately out and i
havent
> driven my 600
> > much, i was wondering if it will be ok to drive the car about 35
> miles
> > in the heat? Anything i should do to help it out? im thinking an
> oil
> > cooler
> > ---------------------------------
> > Building a website is a piece of cake.
> > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.

Kevin Lister · Post by **Kevin Lister** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:01 am

Miles,
What type of oil cooler is typically used on the 600's?
Are they really necessary?
The electric fan sounds like a great idea. Most modern vehicles use electric fans these days. I didn't realize that the GL1000 even had a cooling fan on it. I'm gonna have to take a closer look at that bike.
What are you up to this weekend? I had to work from home last weekend and late hours during the week last week.
kev
Miles wrote:
I like to run an electric cooling fan on my 600 in place of the belt
drive fan. I bust out all the supports inside the stock fan and put a
Honda GL1000 fan in place. No more belt, no squeeking, no cut in half
clutch cable.
Kevin, Bill Colford is the oil cooler king in here, but I can make
the parts for you if you don't weld.
Miles

Kevin Lister · Post by **Kevin Lister** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:04 am

I'm probabaly going to put an electric in my sedan. Anyone out there have an extra fan housing they'd like to part with?
kev
infinkc wrote:
Miles- do you have any pictures of the electric fan inplace? thanks!

--- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "Miles" wrote:
> I like to run an electric cooling fan on my 600 in place of the
belt
> drive fan. I bust out all the supports inside the stock fan and
put a
> Honda GL1000 fan in place. No more belt, no squeeking, no cut in
half
> clutch cable.
> Kevin, Bill Colford is the oil cooler king in here, but I can make
> the parts for you if you don't weld.
> Miles
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, Kevin Lister
> wrote:
> > Yes, it's been hot up here in the Santa Cruz Mountains as well.
> > I was worried about driving my 600 in the heat as well. I was
> wondering if anyone on the group has ever installed an oil cooler
> also.
> > kev
> > infinkc wrote:
> > Currently its been about 95-100F lately out and i
havent
> driven my 600
> > much, i was wondering if it will be ok to drive the car about 35
> miles
> > in the heat? Anything i should do to help it out? im thinking an
> oil
> > cooler
> > ---------------------------------
> > Building a website is a piece of cake.
> > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
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dawn_and_darrian · Post by **dawn_and_darrian** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:50 pm

I really wouldn't mind doing this either. One less belt to worry about too.

friend · Post by **friend** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:39 am

I have to say it again;
There are only two things keeping your Honda 600 engine cool, the air
coming across the fins on the cylinders and the oil in the engine.
There are cylinder head gages you can put under the spark plug seat and
they will tell you that the sparkplug is getting up to about 350 Degrees,
unless you fixed the threads and then it will say 400 Degrees. Pulling more
air across the fins helps, but every engine I have pulled apart that didn't
have an oil cooler on it was caked with tar from the burned oil in the
crankcase and throughout the transmission, all over the gears and packed in
around the shift plates. One was so bad that it could hardly be shifted.
The cooler allows you to put a remote (spin on) PH8A Fram oil filter
(remember that a whole bunch of High Tech has happened to oil filters since
the Honda element filter was made) into the oil circuit and with the remote
filter housing you can plumb in a oil temp and pressure gage. There is a
Oil thermostat that is available to keep the oil running back into the
engine while it heats up to around 165 degrees (operating temp.) before it
starts going into the cooling coils. Is it cheap, no nothing worth doing is
ever cheap. But, think about this. Wear comes from heat, more wear produces
more heat and you literally burn your Air Cooled Engine up.
I have heard the answers to "Why do I need a Oil Cooler? Honda didn't
make one for it when it was new." You are right, but the key word here is
New, when the Honda 600 engine was new it didn't have any wear, as it got
older it has more wear and because of this it has more heat causing the oil
(remember this is half the cooling) to break down faster and so it doesn't
lubricate as effectively causing your engine to wear more producing more
(what) HEAT! A match burns at roughly 3000 degrees, and it is burning
material. Oil in between bearing surfaces gets to about 1500 degrees, oil
is supposed to lubricate these surfaces (cooling them down) which it does
effectively but as things wear the temperature goes up and the oil breaks
down causing it to lubricate less effectively which causes more heat.
So, put another fan on the fire, and see how hot your oil is the next
time you come to a stop light. Turn it off, ok, now there is no air moving
across the fins.
You by now are asking how do I know all this, well I put a temp gage in
the oil drain plug on a Honda 600 engine (before placing a oil cooler on the
car) and the oil temp stayed about 185 + as I drove down the freeway. When
I left the freeway and came to the first stop light the oil temp climbed to
almost 250 degrees. Folks, at this temp you are burning oil because the
bearing surfaces have climbed to about 2000 degrees or better. Remember the
Tar I was talking about, well the engine is making tar at this point. When
I started back up the temp went down again but never below 210 on the gage.
That is when I looked at how I could put an oil cooler on the engine. Life
on the road in a Honda 600 has been a whole lot better since then.
Go to the Yahoo Group site below and look at the pictures of the cooler
and parts you will need. So there you have it, better oil life, better
filtration, add more (about 3/4 Qt. more) oil to the system and the engine
will run cleaner. Tell me the electric fan, venting on the hood, water
spray (have you heard of that one?) on the cylinders all don't give you that
much security.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/anzhonda600owners/
Bill
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From: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Lister
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:04 AM
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Heat and Driving long distances in the
600?
I'm probabaly going to put an electric in my sedan. Anyone out there have
an extra fan housing they'd like to part with?
kev
infinkc wrote:
Miles- do you have any pictures of the electric fan inplace? thanks!

--- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "Miles" wrote:
> I like to run an electric cooling fan on my 600 in place of the
belt
> drive fan. I bust out all the supports inside the stock fan and
put a
> Honda GL1000 fan in place. No more belt, no squeeking, no cut in
half
> clutch cable.
> Kevin, Bill Colford is the oil cooler king in here, but I can make
> the parts for you if you don't weld.
> Miles
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, Kevin Lister
> wrote:
> > Yes, it's been hot up here in the Santa Cruz Mountains as well.
> > I was worried about driving my 600 in the heat as well. I was
> wondering if anyone on the group has ever installed an oil cooler
> also.
> > kev
> > infinkc wrote:
> > Currently its been about 95-100F lately out and i
havent
> driven my 600
> > much, i was wondering if it will be ok to drive the car about 35
> miles
> > in the heat? Anything i should do to help it out? im thinking an
> oil
> > cooler
> > ---------------------------------
> > Building a website is a piece of cake.
> > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
---------------------------------
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Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo!
Games.

Eddie Velasquez · Post by **Eddie Velasquez** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:03 pm

is there a specific kit or attachment that I can buy or build to put a oil cooler on my 72 an 600? thanks Eddie in Texas
billmyong@... wrote: I have to say it again;
There are only two things keeping your Honda 600 engine cool, the air
coming across the fins on the cylinders and the oil in the engine.
There are cylinder head gages you can put under the spark plug seat and
they will tell you that the sparkplug is getting up to about 350 Degrees,
unless you fixed the threads and then it will say 400 Degrees. Pulling more
air across the fins helps, but every engine I have pulled apart that didn't
have an oil cooler on it was caked with tar from the burned oil in the
crankcase and throughout the transmission, all over the gears and packed in
around the shift plates. One was so bad that it could hardly be shifted.
The cooler allows you to put a remote (spin on) PH8A Fram oil filter
(remember that a whole bunch of High Tech has happened to oil filters since
the Honda element filter was made) into the oil circuit and with the remote
filter housing you can plumb in a oil temp and pressure gage. There is a
Oil thermostat that is available to keep the oil running back into the
engine while it heats up to around 165 degrees (operating temp.) before it
starts going into the cooling coils. Is it cheap, no nothing worth doing is
ever cheap. But, think about this. Wear comes from heat, more wear produces
more heat and you literally burn your Air Cooled Engine up.
I have heard the answers to "Why do I need a Oil Cooler? Honda didn't
make one for it when it was new." You are right, but the key word here is
New, when the Honda 600 engine was new it didn't have any wear, as it got
older it has more wear and because of this it has more heat causing the oil
(remember this is half the cooling) to break down faster and so it doesn't
lubricate as effectively causing your engine to wear more producing more
(what) HEAT! A match burns at roughly 3000 degrees, and it is burning
material. Oil in between bearing surfaces gets to about 1500 degrees, oil
is supposed to lubricate these surfaces (cooling them down) which it does
effectively but as things wear the temperature goes up and the oil breaks
down causing it to lubricate less effectively which causes more heat.
So, put another fan on the fire, and see how hot your oil is the next
time you come to a stop light. Turn it off, ok, now there is no air moving
across the fins.
You by now are asking how do I know all this, well I put a temp gage in
the oil drain plug on a Honda 600 engine (before placing a oil cooler on the
car) and the oil temp stayed about 185 + as I drove down the freeway. When
I left the freeway and came to the first stop light the oil temp climbed to
almost 250 degrees. Folks, at this temp you are burning oil because the
bearing surfaces have climbed to about 2000 degrees or better. Remember the
Tar I was talking about, well the engine is making tar at this point. When
I started back up the temp went down again but never below 210 on the gage.
That is when I looked at how I could put an oil cooler on the engine. Life
on the road in a Honda 600 has been a whole lot better since then.
Go to the Yahoo Group site below and look at the pictures of the cooler
and parts you will need. So there you have it, better oil life, better
filtration, add more (about 3/4 Qt. more) oil to the system and the engine
will run cleaner. Tell me the electric fan, venting on the hood, water
spray (have you heard of that one?) on the cylinders all don't give you that
much security.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/anzhonda600owners/
Bill