IGNITION/CHARGING CIRCUIT

[trtlepnther21]

Looking for a little help from everyone.
It doesn't take much when looking under my 1970 Honda 600 Sedan's hood to figure out that someone has taken a few liberties when it comes to the electrical wiring. Missing the main fuse, wing nuts holding spliced wires together (I don't think they are OEM), a mess of electrical tape, and I can't figure out why. The car ran like this, and i can't remember what did and did not work while it WAS running.
I am rebuilding and want to get the electrical right. When I was attempting to start the vehicle for the first time in quite some time, it shorted one of two wires coming from the ac generator brush connected to the rotor assembly. WHY?
I have taken out wiring between the rectifier, battery, voltage regulator, and magnetic switch on the starter. I am going to replace every wire one at a time to ensure the load is being transfered properly and all connections are sound. I will snap a couple photos as it looks right now. ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED! !!

[jpro8071]

Have you got the shop manual with the schematic? When you break out the individual parts it is not as bad as it first looks.
We've played with homemade rectifiers (got too hot) and actually run a Ford regulator in our car since it would be easier to replace when in Wendover.

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2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "trtlepnther21" wrote:
> Looking for a little help from everyone.
> It doesn't take much when looking under my 1970 Honda 600 Sedan's hood to figure out that someone has taken a few liberties when it comes to the electrical wiring. Missing the main fuse, wing nuts holding spliced wires together (I don't think they are OEM), a mess of electrical tape, and I can't figure out why. The car ran like this, and i can't remember what did and did not work while it WAS running.
> I am rebuilding and want to get the electrical right. When I was attempting to start the vehicle for the first time in quite some time, it shorted one of two wires coming from the ac generator brush connected to the rotor assembly. WHY?
> I have taken out wiring between the rectifier, battery, voltage regulator, and magnetic switch on the starter. I am going to replace every wire one at a time to ensure the load is being transfered properly and all connections are sound. I will snap a couple photos as it looks right now. ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED! !!

[Matt Hew]

Do you happen to have any photos of the setup?
What year and model did you get your ford regulator out of?
The wiring was the REAL mess though, I think the componenets are okay for the most part but I haven't checked them thoroughly.
Some wires were cut completely so I have no clue where they went to originally.  I have the manual, but I am no crack shot at reading electrical plans, but I am trying to sort it all out.
Thanks for the reply!
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
From: jpro8071@...
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:07:46 +0000
Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: IGNITION/CHARGING CIRCUIT
Have you got the shop manual with the schematic? When you break out the individual parts it is not as bad as it first looks.
We've played with homemade rectifiers (got too hot) and actually run a Ford regulator in our car since it would be easier to replace when in Wendover.

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2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
, "trtlepnther21" wrote:
> Looking for a little help from everyone.
> It doesn't take much when looking under my 1970 Honda 600 Sedan's hood to figure out that someone has taken a few liberties when it comes to the electrical wiring. Missing the main fuse, wing nuts holding spliced wires together (I don't think they are OEM), a mess of electrical tape, and I can't figure out why. The car ran like this, and i can't remember what did and did not work while it WAS running.
> I am rebuilding and want to get the electrical right. When I was attempting to start the vehicle for the first time in quite some time, it shorted one of two wires coming from the ac generator brush connected to the rotor assembly. WHY?
> I have taken out wiring between the rectifier, battery, voltage regulator, and magnetic switch on the starter. I am going to replace every wire one at a time to ensure the load is being transfered properly and all connections are sound. I will snap a couple photos as it looks right now. ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED! !!

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[jpro8071]

I would think any 65 to 79 (or maybe even newer) Mustang, etc. would work. You just need to match up the I, A, S and F wires (plus ground it) to the Honda loom.
Here's the Ford details:
http://www.junkyardgenius.com/charging/ford02.html
http://www.explorerforum.com/photopost/ ... hoto=33474
This isn't for everyone - to everyone else, if your loom is working leave it alone.
I changed mine for a few reasons:
1) I was getting funny readings and had done everything in the Honda manual but adjust the relays in the Honda regulator.
2) I had a Ford one on the shelf, plus the loom.
3) In Bonneville I'd never get one in time, and I didn't trust the Honda spares that I had.
4) I pit with a bunch of Chevy and Mopar guys . . .
I'll try to take down some notes this weekend and post them.

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2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, Matt Hew wrote:
> Do you happen to have any photos of the setup?
> What year and model did you get your ford regulator out of?
> The wiring was the REAL mess though, I think the componenets are okay for the most part but I haven't checked them thoroughly.
> Some wires were cut completely so I have no clue where they went to originally. I have the manual, but I am no crack shot at reading electrical plans, but I am trying to sort it all out.
> Thanks for the reply!
> To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> From: jpro8071@...
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:07:46 +0000
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: IGNITION/CHARGING CIRCUIT
> Have you got the shop manual with the schematic? When you break out the individual parts it is not as bad as it first looks.
> We've played with homemade rectifiers (got too hot) and actually run a Ford regulator in our car since it would be easier to replace when in Wendover.
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "trtlepnther21" wrote:
> > Looking for a little help from everyone.
> > It doesn't take much when looking under my 1970 Honda 600 Sedan's hood to figure out that someone has taken a few liberties when it comes to the electrical wiring. Missing the main fuse, wing nuts holding spliced wires together (I don't think they are OEM), a mess of electrical tape, and I can't figure out why. The car ran like this, and i can't remember what did and did not work while it WAS running.
> > I am rebuilding and want to get the electrical right. When I was attempting to start the vehicle for the first time in quite some time, it shorted one of two wires coming from the ac generator brush connected to the rotor assembly. WHY?
> > I have taken out wiring between the rectifier, battery, voltage regulator, and magnetic switch on the starter. I am going to replace every wire one at a time to ensure the load is being transfered properly and all connections are sound. I will snap a couple photos as it looks right now. ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED! !!
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[Greg Ralyea]

Would you still benefit from a schematic for N600, or are you succeeding in fixing your ailments?  I believe I have a schematic.
From:
jpro8071 To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Thu, January 28, 2010 3:12:49 PM Subject:
[2cylinderhondas] Re: IGNITION/CHARGING CIRCUIT I would think any 65 to 79 (or maybe even newer) Mustang, etc. would work.  You just need to match up the I, A, S and F wires (plus ground it) to the Honda loom.
Here's the Ford details:
http://www.junkyardgenius.com/charging/ford02.html http://www.explorerforum.com/photopost/ ... hoto=33474 This isn't for everyone - to everyone else, if your loom is working leave it alone.
I changed mine for a few reasons:
1) I was getting funny readings and had done everything in the Honda manual but adjust the relays in the Honda regulator.
2) I had a Ford one on the shelf, plus the loom.
3) In Bonneville I'd never get one in time, and I didn't trust the Honda spares that I had.
4) I pit with a bunch of Chevy and Mopar guys . . .
I'll try to take down some notes this weekend and post them.

--- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, Matt Hew wrote:
> Do you happen to have any photos of the setup?
> What year and model did you get your ford regulator out of?
> The wiring was the REAL mess though, I think the componenets are okay for the most part but I haven't checked them thoroughly.
> Some wires were cut completely so I have no clue where they went to originally.  I have the manual, but I am no crack shot at reading electrical plans, but I am trying to sort it all out.
> Thanks for the reply!
> To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> From: jpro8071@...
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:07:46
+0000
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: IGNITION/CHARGING CIRCUIT
> Have you got the shop manual with the schematic?  When you break out the individual parts it is not as bad as it first looks.
> We've played with homemade rectifiers (got too hot) and actually run a Ford regulator in our car since it would be easier to replace when in Wendover.
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "trtlepnther21"
wrote:
> > Looking for a little help from everyone.
> > It doesn't take much when looking under my 1970 Honda 600 Sedan's hood to figure out that someone has taken a few liberties when it comes to the electrical wiring. Missing the main fuse, wing nuts holding spliced wires together (I don't think they are OEM), a mess of electrical tape, and I can't figure out why. The car ran like this, and i can't remember what did and did not work while it WAS running.
> > I am rebuilding and want to get the electrical right. When I was attempting to start the vehicle for the first time in quite some time, it shorted one of two wires coming from the ac generator brush connected to the rotor assembly. WHY?
> > I have taken out wiring between the rectifier, battery, voltage regulator, and magnetic switch on the starter. I am going to replace every wire one at a time to ensure the load is being transfered properly and all connections are sound. I will snap a couple photos as it looks right now. ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED! !!
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[jpro8071]

He's still going to need the correct schematic regardless of what regulator he uses.

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2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, Greg Ralyea wrote:
> Would you still benefit from a schematic for N600, or are you succeeding in fixing your ailments? I believe I have a schematic.
> From: jpro8071
> To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 3:12:49 PM
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: IGNITION/CHARGING CIRCUIT
> I would think any 65 to 79 (or maybe even newer) Mustang, etc. would work. You just need to match up the I, A, S and F wires (plus ground it) to the Honda loom.
> Here's the Ford details:
http://www.junkyardgenius.com/charging/ford02.html
http://www.explorerforum.com/photopost/ ... hoto=33474
> This isn't for everyone - to everyone else, if your loom is working leave it alone.
> I changed mine for a few reasons:
> 1) I was getting funny readings and had done everything in the Honda manual but adjust the relays in the Honda regulator.
> 2) I had a Ford one on the shelf, plus the loom.
> 3) In Bonneville I'd never get one in time, and I didn't trust the Honda spares that I had.
> 4) I pit with a bunch of Chevy and Mopar guys . . .
> I'll try to take down some notes this weekend and post them.
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, Matt Hew wrote:
> > Do you happen to have any photos of the setup?
> > What year and model did you get your ford regulator out of?
> > The wiring was the REAL mess though, I think the componenets are okay for the most part but I haven't checked them thoroughly.
> > Some wires were cut completely so I have no clue where they went to originally. I have the manual, but I am no crack shot at reading electrical plans, but I am trying to sort it all out.
> > Thanks for the reply!
> > To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > From: jpro8071@
> > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:07:46 +0000
> > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: IGNITION/CHARGING CIRCUIT
> > Have you got the shop manual with the schematic? When you break out the individual parts it is not as bad as it first looks.
> > We've played with homemade rectifiers (got too hot) and actually run a Ford regulator in our car since it would be easier to replace when in Wendover.
> > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "trtlepnther21" wrote:
> > > Looking for a little help from everyone.
> > > It doesn't take much when looking under my 1970 Honda 600 Sedan's hood to figure out that someone has taken a few liberties when it comes to the electrical wiring. Missing the main fuse, wing nuts holding spliced wires together (I don't think they are OEM), a mess of electrical tape, and I can't figure out why. The car ran like this, and i can't remember what did and did not work while it WAS running.
> > > I am rebuilding and want to get the electrical right. When I was attempting to start the vehicle for the first time in quite some time, it shorted one of two wires coming from the ac generator brush connected to the rotor assembly. WHY?
> > > I have taken out wiring between the rectifier, battery, voltage regulator, and magnetic switch on the starter. I am going to replace every wire one at a time to ensure the load is being transfered properly and all connections are sound. I will snap a couple photos as it looks right now. ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED! !!
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[Greg Ralyea]

I'll see if I can get it copied without ripping it out of the manual.
From:
jpro8071 To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Thu, January 28, 2010 11:25:53 PM Subject:
[2cylinderhondas] Re: IGNITION/CHARGING CIRCUIT He's still going to need the correct schematic regardless of what regulator he uses.

[mterrens]

By schematic, do you mean wiring diagram?  If so print it from here .  If you mean something else you will hopefully find it here
Good luck,
Steve

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> Friday, January 29, 2010 10:00
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> Subject:
> Re: [2cylinderhondas] Re:
> IGNITION/CHARGING CIRCUIT
> I'll see if I can get it copied without ripping it out of the > manual.
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> Subject:
> [2cylinderhondas]
> Re: IGNITION/CHARGING CIRCUIT
> He's still going to need the
> correct schematic regardless of what regulator he uses.
> --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> ,
> Greg Ralyea wrote:
> > Would you still
> benefit from a schematic for N600, or are you succeeding in fixing your > ailments?  I believe I have a schematic.
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: jpro8071
> > To:
> 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 3:12:49 PM
> > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re:
> IGNITION/CHARGING CIRCUIT
> > I would think any 65 to 79 (or
> maybe even newer) Mustang, etc. would work.  You just need to match up > the I, A, S and F wires (plus ground it) to the Honda loom.
> Here's the Ford details:
> http://www.junkyard genius.com/ charging/ ford02.html
> http://www.explorer forum.com/ photopost/ showphoto. php?photo= 33474
> > This isn't for everyone - to everyone else, if your loom is > working leave it alone.
> > I changed mine for a few
> reasons:
> > 1) I was getting funny readings and had done everything in > the Honda manual but adjust the relays in the Honda regulator.
> > 2) I
> had a Ford one on the shelf, plus the loom.
> > 3) In Bonneville I'd never
> get one in time, and I didn't trust the Honda spares that I had.
> > 4) I
> pit with a bunch of Chevy and Mopar guys . . .
> > I'll try to
> take down some notes this weekend and post them.
> > ---
> In
> 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> ,
> Matt Hew wrote:
> Do you happen to have any photos of the setup?
> > > What year
> and model did you get your ford regulator out of?
> > > The wiring was
> the REAL mess though, I think the componenets are okay for the most part but I > haven't checked them thoroughly.
> > > Some wires were cut completely
> so I have no clue where they went to originally.  I have the manual, but > I am no crack shot at reading electrical plans, but I am trying to sort it all > out.
> > > Thanks for the reply!
> > > To:
> 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > From: jpro8071@
> > > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:07:46
> +0000
> > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: IGNITION/CHARGING
> CIRCUIT
> > > Have you got the shop manual with the schematic?  When > you break out the individual parts it is not as bad as it first looks.
> > > We've played with homemade
> rectifiers (got too hot) and actually run a Ford regulator in our car since it > would be easier to replace when in Wendover.
> > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> ,
> "trtlepnther21" wrote:
> > > > Looking for a little help from
> everyone.
> > > > It doesn't take much when looking
> under my 1970 Honda 600 Sedan's hood to figure out that someone has taken a > few liberties when it comes to the electrical wiring. Missing the main fuse, > wing nuts holding spliced wires together (I don't think they are OEM), a mess > of electrical tape, and I can't figure out why. The car ran like this, and i > can't remember what did and did not work while it WAS running.
> > > > I am rebuilding and want to get the electrical right. When > I was attempting to start the vehicle for the first time in quite some time, > it shorted one of two wires coming from the ac generator brush connected to > the rotor assembly. WHY?
> > > > I have taken out
> wiring between the rectifier, battery, voltage regulator, and magnetic switch > on the starter. I am going to replace every wire one at a time to ensure the > load is being transfered properly and all connections are sound. I will snap a > couple photos as it looks right now. ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED! !!
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