Interesting.Spoke with the other half and he is not sure we even have ethanol in our fuel in AZ, i know we didn't ,and if it's crept in i don't know. Have to ask my mechanic.Does'nt Sta-bil also make an ethanol preparation? I am on my own with this car,"It's your hobby",just as is my RV.
Anyhow i thank you for the advise and will check in to it.
I am running out of room on this email site.They are running into each other and i don't want to erase anything.
hunyburd@...
is my email address. Take care,Laurie ----- Origi
> From:
> richmccolman
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Sent:
> Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:43
> AM
> Subject:
> [2cylinderhondas] Re: loose air
> intake temp flap
> Hi Laurie - I don't know of any reason why adding Sta-bil should pose a > problem. It certainly would be important to keep the gas from deteriorating > over the winter.
> In fact, there may be even larger issues with gas in
> our older cars: there's considerable info out there asserting that the use of > gasoline containing ethanol isn't good for older cars. The idea is basically > this -- ethanol attracts and absorbs water, and water can separate out in > storage, including in one's fuel tank. Among other things, this water > constituent can cause corrosion on older car parts, including the carburetor, > and engine wear. (According to some, newer cars aren't as prone to suffering > corrosion as much, because the parts that come in contact with fuel are now > made with different metallic compositions than in older cars. One the other > hand, there are some die-hards who claim that ethanol-laden gas is bad for all > cars -- even newer ones -- but I don't know how much stock to put in those > claims.) Similar issues of corrosion and poor starting/running have supposedly > been seen in boat motors and lawn mowers -- even newer ones.
> For this
> reason, I've started adding special additive to my gas at every fill-up. I've > been using a product called Startron, but Sta-bil also makes a "marine" > version that works similarly. Both products are supposed to address the > ethanol-water issue, thus lessening the chances of corrosion and wear. In > fact, a lot of boat and lawn mower owners say they've had lots of trouble just > keeping their motors starting and running smoothly on ethanol-laden gas, but > say that using Startron or marine Sta-bil solves these problems. These > products also act as a fuel preservative, the same as regular Sta-bil, > BTW.
> I don't know personally if all this is true about ethanol-laden > gas, but there's plenty of claims/info out there indicating that it is.
> Perhaps others in the group have some input on this.
> At any rate, I
> think that Sta-bil is a good idea for the winter, and I'd be inclined toward > recommending the marine Sta-bil over the standard > version.
> Richard
> http://www.fuel-testers.com/is_gas_addi ... _list.html > --- > In > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com > , > "Laurie" wrote:
> > NASCAR country!
> I'm a NASCAR nut.24,14,29.Usually spend a week in Avondale,AZ for the spring > race in my RV in March.Is it ok to run Stab-bil in the Honda's fuel tank?It's > not going to be driven much this winter.Snow didn't amount to much,but it is > cold out.Last weekend was mid seventies.Todays high 38.
> > Take
> Care,
> > Laurie+Lil Honda
> > ----- Original Message -----
> From: richmccolman
> > To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 11:19 AM
> > Subject:
> [2cylinderhondas] Re: loose air intake temp flap
> > Okay - so I guess I wasn't far off the mark imagining a lot of > downshifting in your area, Laurie.
> > I'm in NC, around the
> Raleigh-Durham area. Much flatter terrain than where you are, and only ~300 ft > above sea level. Even still, I don't drive my coupe out on highways much. And > with fewer grades than you have, I suspect I don't have to downshift and rev > up as much as you have to.
> > Have fun in the snow!
> > Richard
> > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "Laurie" wrote:
> > > Hi
> Richard,
> > > Prescott is a mile high city.But there are lots of ups > and downs.We're not on a plateau.It is considered a mountain community because > some areas go up to 6500 ft.I live at about 5300(Prescott County) and Prescott > is at a mile.I usually just drive her to work every couple of weeks. There are > areas i won't even go because i would have to downshift and that would > probably tick people off behind me.Some areas i have to get a good run > going.Definitely not an non-adjusting carburetor region.But i deal with it. I > don't expect any more than the car can give. I'm still having a blast with > her.Not going to worry about the wiper motor right now,especially going in to > winter.Won't drive it in bad weather.She'll just be a garage queen that i > adoringly look at.I am looking for a trailer,though that i can pull behind my > RV.Chance of snow tonight.Where are you located?
> > > Take
> Care,Laurie
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From:
> richmccolman
> > > To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 4:42 AM
> > > Subject:
> [2cylinderhondas] Re: loose air intake temp flap
> > > Laurie - Do you have many long inclines on the
> roads where you live? (I'm having visions of lots of 2nd- and 3rd-gear driving > in a little Honda 600.) Or are you on a high plateau?
> > Good luck with your wiper motor!
> > > Take
> care,
> > > Richard
> > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "Laurie" wrote:
> Richard,
> > > > That was a once in a lifetime trip! Honda never
> even hiccuped.Didn't like the altitude much going up to Flagstaff, but we did > it.Runs fine here at altitude (5400-5600ft)Now just have to do something about > my wiper motor.It groans when turned on.Bought a refurbished one from Ray > Cave.Now just have to talk with my mechanic.
> > > > Take
> care,LaurieOriginal Message -----
> > > > From: richmccolman
> > > > To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 4:46 AM
> > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: loose air intake temp flap
> > > > Great stories,
> Laurie! I bet the trip to Toronto and in a Honda 600 was quite an > experience.
> > > > Best of luck with your coupe.
> Let me know how you fare finding a spring.
> > Take care,
> > > > Richard
> > > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "Laurie" wrote:
> > Hi Richard,
> > > > > Of all the cool cars i've had and let
> go,the Honda was the car i missed the most.Drove my original from Ca.to > Toronto, Canada and back i n 74'.Spent the summer at our family cottage. Had a > blast! Vowed i would someday have another.I do now ,and love just seeing her > profile under her cover in my garage.Kisses to my Baby car. We were in our 4th > of July parade here in Prescott,Az.WOW! What a reception from radio > broadcasts,TV etc.I belong to Prescott Antique Car Club.My car won in a car > show against Bill Colfords car.Not sure if you know him,but he is a Honda > guy.He was the main instrument to my finding my car. Sorry to blather on and > on.Too many stories...(fun stuff). Take Care and Love your Baby > ,Laurie > > > > > From: richmccolman > > > > > To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 4:15 AM
> > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: loose air intake temp flap
> > > Hi Laurie -- yes, I have a coupe -- it's pop orange. I owned a pale > yellow sedan back in the '70s. I always thought the coupes were especially > cute, so that's what I went for when the "600 bug" came back and bit me a > couple of years ago.
> > > > > Good luck
> - Richard
> > > > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "Laurie" wrote:
> > > > Thanx again ,Richard
> > > > > > I'll let you
> know if i run in to any probs. Is your car a Coupe? What color? Mine is > Green,,just like the one i bought in 1972. Bumper is different as it's > manufacter date is 11/71.But was sold as a 72.
> H'ppy Honda'ing,Laurie
> > > > > > ----- Original Message
> -----
> > > > > > From: richmccolman
> > To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 7:04 PM
> > > > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: loose air intake temp > flap
> > > > > > Glad to help, Laurie, and good
> luck finding the spring. Let me know if you have trouble getting what you need > -- if so, I'll be happy to send you my extra one.
> > > > > > Richard
> > > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "Laurie" wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Richard,
> > > > > > > Thanks
> for the spring info.There is a Lowe's about 45 min from me(live sort of in the > boonie's).I'll check it out the next time i'm out that way. Might have weather > coming our way on friday... not ready for it yet!! I'll keep your post and let > you know if i have any probs.Thanx for the offer of your second spring, that's > so nice.One thing about Honda Baby Car people is that they are very sharing > and giving.
> > > > > > > Thank You,Laurie
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: richmccolman
> > > > > > > To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:55
> PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: loose air
> intake temp flap
> > > > > > > Hi
> Laurie - The spring I got is 3/8" x 2" x .035". (That's 3/8" diameter, 2" long > including the loop-hooks on the ends, with the spring's wire diameter of > .035".) The safe working load is 0.94 lbs.
> > > > > > > Do you have any Lowe's home improvement
> stores in your area? (It looks like most of the Lowe's stores in AZ are > clustered around Phoenix and Tucson, with one in Prescott and one in Show > Low.) If so, you might be able to get the same exact item I did - a two-pack > of these springs. If not, and if you can't find a good source of similar > springs somewhere else, let me know and I'd be happy to send you the second > one out of my two-pack.
> > > > Note that the lower attachment point for the spring -- a little > tab with a tiny notch that hangs below the opening to the air cleaner intake > -- might need to be bent slightly forward or rearward to allow the flap to > stay firmly open when opened with the lever and also stay firmly closed when > closed with the lever. (You'll see what I mean if this turns out to be an > issue for you.) It's simple to bend it to the right position, and will be > necessary if the tab had ever gotten bent out of its optimal position at some > time in the past, as mine was.
> > > > > Richard
> > > > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "Laurie" wrote:
> > > > > > > > Rich,what size spring did you get?
> My car was bought restored but the guy i bought it from disabled the flap so > it just 'flaps'.Getting cold here in No.Az.Only drive the car every couple of > weeks but i would like it in working order.Thanx,Laurie + 1972 Honda z600 > Coupr.
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: richmccolman
> > > > > To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:28
> AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: loose
> air intake temp flap
> > > > > Bought a spring at Lowe's and put it on -- temp control > lever/flap works great now.
> > > > > > > Thanks for the input!
> > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "richmccolman" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Ahh, yes -- I see now.
> Thanks for pointing me in the right direction on that. I suspected that those > crimps on the lever may have been intended as a retainer for the spring hook, > but wasn't sure. This is confirmation.
> > > > > > > > > Now I just have to figure out
> what sort of spring to use. I may end up having to buy several in a particular > length range -- ones with different amounts of tension -- and see what works > best.
> > > > Thanks again,
> > > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > ---
> In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "twincarb600" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > The spring will
> mount or go around the rod just up from the pivot point where it is horizonal.
> if you look close you can see crimp marks on the shaft to keep it from sliding > off that section of rod. If you look at figure 2-62 in the Coupe Maintenance > manual you can see a picture that might help. It also shows on page 29 of the > Coupe owners manual.
> > > > > > > > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "richmccolman" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Okay,
> here's what will seem to some like a dumb question:
> > Does the upper end of the spring attach to the intake air temp control > lever where it pivots -- the part of the lever at the rotational axis -- or it > is attached further up/out on the lever handle? (I'm trying to figure out > whether the spring merely pulls down on the pivoting shaft all the time to > bind it a little and keep it from moving due simply to friction, or whether > the spring biases the lever toward either one end position of the lever's > range of rotation or the other, forcing it to rotate to one extreme of > rotation or the other once it's pushed by hand.)
> I looked for images that would show where the upper end of the spring > attaches, but none were clear and close enough to show this in detail. The > parts breakdown is of no real use, of course, because it shows an exploded > view, with all the parts separated from each other.
> > If I had the original spring in hand, I think I'd be able to figure all > this out based upon the spring's length and tension characteristics, but I'm > actually missing the spring. My thought was to try finding a few generic > spring replacements and try them one-at-a-time. But since I don't know for > sure where the original spring was supposed to attach to the lever, I'm not > sure what length and tension comes close to being correct.
> > > Apologies for my ignorance - guidance would be appreciated!
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "richmccolman" wrote:
> > Oh, wow - thanks a bunch for pointing that out! Indeed there is no spring > there. Didn't even realize I was missing a part.
> > > Now I just have to go about finding that spring, or a generic one > with similar length & tension. I wonder if anyone has any pointers on a > source for one...
> > > > > > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "twincarb600" wrote:
> > > Or you could replace the missing spring that was suppose to hold > between summer/winter.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---
> In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "richmccolman" wrote:
> > > > > > Hi guys - the rubber air intake temperature control > flap on my air cleaner is loose to the point that I can set the flap for the > cold-weather position (needed now that it's getting colder here in NC), but > within a couple of minutes of vibration with the engine running, the flap will > flop open to the warm-weather position. It looks like, over time, the rubber > flap may have contracted just enough that the portion surrounding the metal > temp control lever shaft is no longer a snug fit between the two sides of the > sheet-metal intake snoot of the air cleaner.
> > > > > > I'm contemplating eliminating the slack by cutting a > slot into one side of a small flat washer and jamming the washer between the > flap's pivot (and around the metal handle shaft) on one side and the adjacent > side of the intake snoot. Another option, I suppose, would be to squeeze the > two sides of the intake snoot together with a large pair of vice grips just > enough to re-establish mechanical tension between the snoot and the rubber > flap. But before I do either of these things, I wanted to check and see if > anyone on the list has dealt with this sort of problem in a better > way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in
> advance,
> Richard