well it looks like my motor is done so maybe Friday or next monday i
can go pick it up and start putting my car back togather. When i
bought my green car it had no heat shilds on the side of the motor
though luckly my spare has them but no gromlets or anything to put them
on. my Question is do i need to put the side heat shilds on and does
any one have the right size gromets and the center part. I bought some
gromlets but they are to big in the center on two of them..
thanks for any info you can give me.
tom
getting my motor next week
Re: getting my motor next week
Tom;
If your talking about the engine cylinder shrouds, yes you need them to route the air flow around the cylinders. I am attaching a list of all the bolt sizes for a Honda 600 engine. The rubber grommets you are talking about can be found in an electrical shop. The outside diameter is equal to the shroud bolt opening, the inside would have two washers and a spacer to keep the rubber grommet in place but allow the bolt to be tightened and cushion the shroud from engine vibrations.
The attached file will be stripped by yahoo, if anyone else wants a copy it's in the files section of the ANZhonda600owners group site. Note, Honda didn't put anything on this engine assembly that wasn't necessary. Leaving one part off can/will cause problems. Not putting the assembly together properly will cause problems and eventually a catastrophic event.
Dale said it correctly, that there has to be a reason for seals to wear out. But I have noticed that Honda rubber seals will collect dirt at the working edge (where the seal meets the rotating surface) and cut into the metal, causing a small indentation in the metal surface. Cleaning the area doesn't always ensure a good seal, removing the metal will cause a smaller diameter and the seal won't work either. But, when you replace the seal, put it in a hair out or in moving the working edge off the warn area of the damaged sealing surface. I have seen it on the cam and transmission shafts and the will work.
A quiet culprit of corrosion is the bolts you use to put your engine back to gather with. Original bolts used by Honda were zinc or cadmium plated keeping the electrolysis down to a crawl. Over time the zinc and/or cadmium plating is eaten away causing the engine aluminum to exfoliate and can cause damage to the rotating surface which then cuts into the seals. So getting your bolts plated before you reassemble your engine is a good idea.
If your talking about the engine cylinder shrouds, yes you need them to route the air flow around the cylinders. I am attaching a list of all the bolt sizes for a Honda 600 engine. The rubber grommets you are talking about can be found in an electrical shop. The outside diameter is equal to the shroud bolt opening, the inside would have two washers and a spacer to keep the rubber grommet in place but allow the bolt to be tightened and cushion the shroud from engine vibrations.
The attached file will be stripped by yahoo, if anyone else wants a copy it's in the files section of the ANZhonda600owners group site. Note, Honda didn't put anything on this engine assembly that wasn't necessary. Leaving one part off can/will cause problems. Not putting the assembly together properly will cause problems and eventually a catastrophic event.
Dale said it correctly, that there has to be a reason for seals to wear out. But I have noticed that Honda rubber seals will collect dirt at the working edge (where the seal meets the rotating surface) and cut into the metal, causing a small indentation in the metal surface. Cleaning the area doesn't always ensure a good seal, removing the metal will cause a smaller diameter and the seal won't work either. But, when you replace the seal, put it in a hair out or in moving the working edge off the warn area of the damaged sealing surface. I have seen it on the cam and transmission shafts and the will work.
A quiet culprit of corrosion is the bolts you use to put your engine back to gather with. Original bolts used by Honda were zinc or cadmium plated keeping the electrolysis down to a crawl. Over time the zinc and/or cadmium plating is eaten away causing the engine aluminum to exfoliate and can cause damage to the rotating surface which then cuts into the seals. So getting your bolts plated before you reassemble your engine is a good idea.
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of
> tdthies1
> Sent:
> Wednesday, July 09, 2008 5:13 PM
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> [anzhonda600owners]
> getting my motor next week
> well it looks like my motor is done so maybe Friday or next monday i
> can go pick it up and start putting my car back togather. When i
> bought my green car it had no heat shilds on the side of the motor
> though luckly my spare has them but no gromlets or anything to put them
> on. my Question is do i need to put the side heat shilds on and does
> any one have the right size gromets and the center part. I bought some
> gromlets but they are to big in the center on two of them..
> thanks for
> any info you can give me.
> tom
Re: getting my motor next week
Tom,
I work in the electrical distribution field and would not have a
problem getting and mailing you these grommets. I'm a new 600 sedan
owner with a week into my restoration, so if we can figure out the
outside dimensions of the grommets,I will send them to you. I think
by looking at the very helpful engine bolt list that the gentleman
sent, it looks like the I.D. is 10mm and 8mm
I work in the electrical distribution field and would not have a
problem getting and mailing you these grommets. I'm a new 600 sedan
owner with a week into my restoration, so if we can figure out the
outside dimensions of the grommets,I will send them to you. I think
by looking at the very helpful engine bolt list that the gentleman
sent, it looks like the I.D. is 10mm and 8mm
--- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, wrote:
> Tom;
> If your talking about the engine cylinder shrouds, yes you need
them to
> route the air flow around the cylinders. I am attaching a list of
all the
> bolt sizes for a Honda 600 engine. The rubber grommets you are
talking
> about can be found in an electrical shop. The outside diameter is
equal to
> the shroud bolt opening, the inside would have two washers and a
spacer to
> keep the rubber grommet in place but allow the bolt to be tightened
and
> cushion the shroud from engine vibrations.
> The attached file will be stripped by yahoo, if anyone else
wants a copy
> it's in the files section of the ANZhonda600owners group site.
Note, Honda
> didn't put anything on this engine assembly that wasn't necessary.
Leaving
> one part off can/will cause problems. Not putting the assembly
together
> properly will cause problems and eventually a catastrophic event.
> Dale said it correctly, that there has to be a reason for seals
to wear
> out. But I have noticed that Honda rubber seals will collect dirt
at the
> working edge (where the seal meets the rotating surface) and cut
into the
> metal, causing a small indentation in the metal surface. Cleaning
the area
> doesn't always ensure a good seal, removing the metal will cause a
smaller
> diameter and the seal won't work either. But, when you replace the
seal,
> put it in a hair out or in moving the working edge off the warn
area of the
> damaged sealing surface. I have seen it on the cam and
transmission shafts
> and the will work.
> A quiet culprit of corrosion is the bolts you use to put your
engine
> back to gather with. Original bolts used by Honda were zinc or
cadmium
> plated keeping the electrolysis down to a crawl. Over time the
zinc and/or
> cadmium plating is eaten away causing the engine aluminum to
exfoliate and
> can cause damage to the rotating surface which then cuts into the
seals. So
> getting your bolts plated before you reassemble your engine is a
good idea.
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
]On Behalf Of tdthies1
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 5:13 PM
> To:
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [anzhonda600owners] getting my motor next week
> well it looks like my motor is done so maybe Friday or next
monday i
> can go pick it up and start putting my car back togather. When i
> bought my green car it had no heat shilds on the side of the motor
> though luckly my spare has them but no gromlets or anything to
put them
> on. my Question is do i need to put the side heat shilds on and
does
> any one have the right size gromets and the center part. I bought
some
> gromlets but they are to big in the center on two of them..
> thanks for any info you can give me.
> tom
Re: getting my motor next week
I am going have to wait untill I get the motor because there is more holes in the shroud than what there is bolts for so I will have to line it up and find out what goes where. It is possible that B&B will have what I need for it. (that would be nice because I would like to get it running so I can enjoy it before winter. lol. When I bought the car it did not have any shroud on it, but luckly my second motor did.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> flyu162
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Sent:
> Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:39
> AM
> Subject:
> [anzhonda600owners] Re: getting
> my motor next week
> Tom,
> I work in the electrical distribution field and would not have > a > problem getting and mailing you these grommets. I'm a new 600 sedan
> owner with a week into my restoration, so if we can figure out the
> outside dimensions of the grommets,I will send them to you. I think > by > looking at the very helpful engine bolt list that the gentleman > sent, it > looks like the I.D. is 10mm and 8mm > --- In > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com > , > wrote:
> > Tom;
> > If your talking about the engine cylinder shrouds, yes you need
> them to
> > route the air flow around the cylinders. I am attaching a > list of > all the > > bolt sizes for a Honda 600 engine. The rubber > grommets you are > talking > > about can be found in an electrical shop.
> The outside diameter is
> equal to
> > the shroud bolt opening, the
> inside would have two washers and a
> spacer to
> > keep the rubber
> grommet in place but allow the bolt to be tightened
> and
> > cushion
> the shroud from engine vibrations.
> > The attached file will be stripped
> by yahoo, if anyone else
> wants a copy
> > it's in the files section of
> the ANZhonda600owners group site.
> Note, Honda
> > didn't put anything
> on this engine assembly that wasn't necessary.
> Leaving
> > one part
> off can/will cause problems. Not putting the assembly
> together
> properly will cause problems and eventually a catastrophic event.
> > Dale
> said it correctly, that there has to be a reason for seals > to wear
> out. But I have noticed that Honda rubber seals will collect dirt > at > the > > working edge (where the seal meets the rotating surface) and cut
> into the
> > metal, causing a small indentation in the metal surface.
> Cleaning
> the area
> > doesn't always ensure a good seal, removing the
> metal will cause a
> smaller
> > diameter and the seal won't work
> either. But, when you replace the
> seal,
> > put it in a hair out or in
> moving the working edge off the warn
> area of the
> > damaged sealing
> surface. I have seen it on the cam and
> transmission shafts
> > and the
> will work.
> > A quiet culprit of corrosion is the bolts you use to put > your > engine > > back to gather with. Original bolts used by Honda were > zinc or > cadmium > > plated keeping the electrolysis down to a crawl.
> Over time the
> zinc and/or
> > cadmium plating is eaten away causing
> the engine aluminum to
> exfoliate and
> > can cause damage to the
> rotating surface which then cuts into the
> seals. So
> > getting your
> bolts plated before you reassemble your engine is a
> good idea.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> ]On
> Behalf Of tdthies1
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 5:13 PM
> > To:
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [anzhonda600owners] getting my motor next week
> > well it looks like my motor is done so maybe Friday or next
> monday i
> > can go pick it up and start putting my car back togather.
> When i
> > bought my green car it had no heat shilds on the side of the > motor > > though luckly my spare has them but no gromlets or anything to
> put them
> > on. my Question is do i need to put the side heat shilds > on and > does > > any one have the right size gromets and the center > part. I bought > some > > gromlets but they are to big in the center on > two of them..
> > thanks for any info you can give me.
> tom
Re: getting my motor next week
You can use the car without the heat shields. When the engine is new, the heat shields offered some benefit but as soon as the engine became dirty, the heat shields became more of a problem. I have left the heat shields off for 20+ years and have had no problems.
With the heat shields off, it will be easier to keep the engine clean.
good luck,
Dale
With the heat shields off, it will be easier to keep the engine clean.
good luck,
Dale
Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com !> Question is do i need to put the side heat shilds on and does > any > one have the right size gromets and the center part. I bought some
> gromlets but they are to big in the center on two of them..
> thanks for
> any info you can give
> me.
> tom
Re: getting my motor next week
Thank you for your offer on the Grommets. I found them and Napa auto parts and got the spacers from B&B auto. the car is now up and running..
tom
tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> flyu162
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Sent:
> Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:39
> AM
> Subject:
> [anzhonda600owners] Re: getting
> my motor next week
> Tom,
> I work in the electrical distribution field and would not have > a > problem getting and mailing you these grommets. I'm a new 600 sedan
> owner with a week into my restoration, so if we can figure out the
> outside dimensions of the grommets,I will send them to you. I think > by > looking at the very helpful engine bolt list that the gentleman > sent, it > looks like the I.D. is 10mm and 8mm > --- In > anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com > , > wrote:
> > Tom;
> > If your talking about the engine cylinder shrouds, yes you need
> them to
> > route the air flow around the cylinders. I am attaching a > list of > all the > > bolt sizes for a Honda 600 engine. The rubber > grommets you are > talking > > about can be found in an electrical shop.
> The outside diameter is
> equal to
> > the shroud bolt opening, the
> inside would have two washers and a
> spacer to
> > keep the rubber
> grommet in place but allow the bolt to be tightened
> and
> > cushion
> the shroud from engine vibrations.
> > The attached file will be stripped
> by yahoo, if anyone else
> wants a copy
> > it's in the files section of
> the ANZhonda600owners group site.
> Note, Honda
> > didn't put anything
> on this engine assembly that wasn't necessary.
> Leaving
> > one part
> off can/will cause problems. Not putting the assembly
> together
> properly will cause problems and eventually a catastrophic event.
> > Dale
> said it correctly, that there has to be a reason for seals > to wear
> out. But I have noticed that Honda rubber seals will collect dirt > at > the > > working edge (where the seal meets the rotating surface) and cut
> into the
> > metal, causing a small indentation in the metal surface.
> Cleaning
> the area
> > doesn't always ensure a good seal, removing the
> metal will cause a
> smaller
> > diameter and the seal won't work
> either. But, when you replace the
> seal,
> > put it in a hair out or in
> moving the working edge off the warn
> area of the
> > damaged sealing
> surface. I have seen it on the cam and
> transmission shafts
> > and the
> will work.
> > A quiet culprit of corrosion is the bolts you use to put > your > engine > > back to gather with. Original bolts used by Honda were > zinc or > cadmium > > plated keeping the electrolysis down to a crawl.
> Over time the
> zinc and/or
> > cadmium plating is eaten away causing
> the engine aluminum to
> exfoliate and
> > can cause damage to the
> rotating surface which then cuts into the
> seals. So
> > getting your
> bolts plated before you reassemble your engine is a
> good idea.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> ]On
> Behalf Of tdthies1
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 5:13 PM
> > To:
> anzhonda600owners@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [anzhonda600owners] getting my motor next week
> > well it looks like my motor is done so maybe Friday or next
> monday i
> > can go pick it up and start putting my car back togather.
> When i
> > bought my green car it had no heat shilds on the side of the > motor > > though luckly my spare has them but no gromlets or anything to
> put them
> > on. my Question is do i need to put the side heat shilds > on and > does > > any one have the right size gromets and the center > part. I bought > some > > gromlets but they are to big in the center on > two of them..
> > thanks for any info you can give me.
> tom