Generator problem
Generator problem
Generator wont recharge my batter... Check all my generator connections n they all have (+) positive current and melting my wires.. I bought the Manuel shop book and the book says the there's (+) and (-) coming out... im not sure what's causing this... If any body knows or think whats the problem please let me know.. Thanks
Re: Generator problem
If the wires are melting together then something is heating up.
First:
Unwrap the wires coming from the engine and unplug the three white wires. Using an ohm meter see if any of them ground to the engine case. Then check if they are connected to each other.
Second:
You will have to replace the wires that have melted insulation (leaving the ends but changing the wire between them) maintains the color coding of the wire. Use shrink wrap where you solder the wires together.
Third:
Look at the black wire going into the voltage regulator, if it is broken or has melted the connector, there may be a problem with the voltage regulator.
Forth:
Test the rectifier, again with the Ohm meter it should only go in one direction. And test to see if the wires have continuity with the frame of the car. If they do or it flows both ways the rectifier is also no good.
Often what happens is that the black wire (ground) on the voltage regulator heats up and shorts to one or two of the other wires and causes the the problem.
Some times doing the first step will cure the problem. But it may have gone further, that is why the other steps are suggested.
Let us know what you find out.
Bill
First:
Unwrap the wires coming from the engine and unplug the three white wires. Using an ohm meter see if any of them ground to the engine case. Then check if they are connected to each other.
Second:
You will have to replace the wires that have melted insulation (leaving the ends but changing the wire between them) maintains the color coding of the wire. Use shrink wrap where you solder the wires together.
Third:
Look at the black wire going into the voltage regulator, if it is broken or has melted the connector, there may be a problem with the voltage regulator.
Forth:
Test the rectifier, again with the Ohm meter it should only go in one direction. And test to see if the wires have continuity with the frame of the car. If they do or it flows both ways the rectifier is also no good.
Often what happens is that the black wire (ground) on the voltage regulator heats up and shorts to one or two of the other wires and causes the the problem.
Some times doing the first step will cure the problem. But it may have gone further, that is why the other steps are suggested.
Let us know what you find out.
Bill
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> Generator problem
> Generator wont recharge my batter... Check all my generator connections n > they all have (+) positive current and melting my wires.. I bought the Manuel > shop book and the book says the there's (+) and (-) coming out... im not sure > what's causing this... If any body knows or think whats the problem please let > me know.. Thanks
Re: Generator problem
I had a similar mess some years ago - cleaning things up was enough to get me rolling again.
http://honda600coupe.com/fused_wiring_cleanup.html
Steve
http://honda600coupe.com/fused_wiring_cleanup.html
Steve
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> Generator wont recharge my batter... Check all my generator connections n > they all have (+) positive current and melting my wires.. I bought the Manuel > shop book and the book says the there's (+) and (-) coming out... im not sure > what's causing this... If any body knows or think whats the problem please let > me know.. Thanks
Re: Generator problem
Ill give it try..ill let u know what i get... Got another question what's the size (mm) on the rotor remover bolt... Or where could i get that special tool ??
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Kriz600 ;
I don't know what your experience is in Auto Maintenance so if I get to far into the weeds it's not intentional.
The thread pitch and size is the same as the cam chain tensioner. But, there are other ways of getting one to use; Before I found a tool of my own, I borrowed one from the local Honda dealer. They wanted me to leave my dog with them as a way of making sure I brought the tool back (I have a great dog). But I was able to use the tool with no problem. If they don't have one, then tell me where you live (send along the chassis, engine and date of manufacture numbers) and I can send a list of Honda 600 owners in your state who may have one. If that fails, I will lend you mine for the cost of shipping it back and forth. It's made a few trips in the past.
Can I ask why you want to pull the stator(or flywheel)? If the three white and the white w/black stripe wires are not grounding to the engine case, then all is well. Normally the wires start to heat up because the ground wire to your engine from the battery is corroded at all or one of the three places it is connected to (engine, battery and the cars body). I have seen this happen when a Honda 600 owner removed the cable from the battery and didn't reconnect it to the engine properly.
Giving it a poor ground between these three points. The only other wire available for ground is the black wire coming from the voltage regulator. It's to small to carry the necessary amps and so it heats up melting the insulation on not only the ground wire but all the others it is next to. Doing the checks will help to solve the problem. You said you have the Shop Manual, go to chapter 17, and starting at page 17-22 there will be the trouble shooting procedures and page 17-24 shows how to check for continuity between the three white wires (they should show that they are one wire) but if you touch one of them with a lead from your meter and the engine case and you get a reading, then the stator coil is grounded and no good. But, normally the ground wire to the voltage regulator is not over heating as in your case, because there needs to be voltage coming from the stator coil to make it heat up. See where I am going?
Bill
Hi
Kriz600 ;
I don't know what your experience is in Auto Maintenance so if I get to far into the weeds it's not intentional.
The thread pitch and size is the same as the cam chain tensioner. But, there are other ways of getting one to use; Before I found a tool of my own, I borrowed one from the local Honda dealer. They wanted me to leave my dog with them as a way of making sure I brought the tool back (I have a great dog). But I was able to use the tool with no problem. If they don't have one, then tell me where you live (send along the chassis, engine and date of manufacture numbers) and I can send a list of Honda 600 owners in your state who may have one. If that fails, I will lend you mine for the cost of shipping it back and forth. It's made a few trips in the past.
Can I ask why you want to pull the stator(or flywheel)? If the three white and the white w/black stripe wires are not grounding to the engine case, then all is well. Normally the wires start to heat up because the ground wire to your engine from the battery is corroded at all or one of the three places it is connected to (engine, battery and the cars body). I have seen this happen when a Honda 600 owner removed the cable from the battery and didn't reconnect it to the engine properly.
Giving it a poor ground between these three points. The only other wire available for ground is the black wire coming from the voltage regulator. It's to small to carry the necessary amps and so it heats up melting the insulation on not only the ground wire but all the others it is next to. Doing the checks will help to solve the problem. You said you have the Shop Manual, go to chapter 17, and starting at page 17-22 there will be the trouble shooting procedures and page 17-24 shows how to check for continuity between the three white wires (they should show that they are one wire) but if you touch one of them with a lead from your meter and the engine case and you get a reading, then the stator coil is grounded and no good. But, normally the ground wire to the voltage regulator is not over heating as in your case, because there needs to be voltage coming from the stator coil to make it heat up. See where I am going?
Bill
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> Generator problem
> Ill give it try..ill let u know what i get... Got another question what's > the size (mm) on the rotor remover bolt... Or where could i get that special > tool ??
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> CC:
> If
> the wires are melting together then something is heating up.
> First:
> Unwrap the wires coming from the engine and unplug the three white > wires. Using an ohm meter see if any of them ground to the engine > case. Then check if they are connected to each other.
> Second:
> You
> will have to replace the wires that have melted insulation (leaving the > ends but changing the wire between them) maintains the color coding of > the wire. Use shrink wrap where you solder the wires together.
> Third:
> Look
> at the black wire going into the voltage regulator, if it is broken or has > melted the connector, there may be a problem with the voltage regulator.
> Forth:
> Test
> the rectifier, again with the Ohm meter it should only go in one > direction. And test to see if the wires have continuity with the frame > of the car. If they do or it flows both ways the rectifier is also no > good.
> Often what happens is that the black wire (ground) on the voltage > regulator heats up and shorts to one or two of the other wires and causes the > the problem. Some times doing the first step will cure the > problem. But it may have gone further, that is why the other steps are > suggested.
> Let
> us know what you find out.
> Bill
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> > [anzhonda600owners] Generator
> > problem
> > Generator wont recharge my batter... Check all my generator connections n > > they all have (+) positive current and melting my wires.. I bought the > > Manuel shop book and the book says the there's (+) and (-) coming out... im > > not sure what's causing this... If any body knows or think whats the problem > > please let me know..
> > Thanks
Re: Generator problem
Nice artical Steve. My car wasn't charging either. So I did like you and cleaned and checked all connections, still nothing. My electrical buddy Jim stopped by and checked things for me.
Problem was my rectifier was not grounded to the battery tray.
Cleaned off some paint and used a star washer.
Charging like new again!
:)
Lyle
Problem was my rectifier was not grounded to the battery tray.
Cleaned off some paint and used a star washer.
Charging like new again!
:)
Lyle
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> I had a similar mess some years ago - cleaning things up was enough to get me rolling again.
http://honda600coupe.com/fused_wiring_cleanup.html
> Steve
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> Subject: [anzhonda600owners] Generator problem
> Generator wont recharge my batter... Check all my generator connections n they all have (+) positive current and melting my wires.. I bought the Manuel shop book and the book says the there's (+) and (-) coming out... im not sure what's causing this... If any body knows or think whats the problem please let me know.. Thanks