Front Sway Bar Bushings

[Miles]

I'm making great progress on my 600 sedan. It's the one I bought a
couple months ago for $400 that had the funny electrical problem. I
got all the electrical done, redid the rear brake cylinders & shoes,
cleaned up the engine compartment today, dismantled and reassembled
the front brakes, then noticed some bone head mechanic installed a
later model lower control arm mismatched with an earlier one (uses
different bushings).
I had to cancel my listing for used sway bar from eBay and add
another late model lower arm. Now my front sway bar rubbers have
turned to rocks - instead of the norm where they dissolve and fall
off on the street. I sold my coupe sway bar rubbers so now I don't
have any at all. Got to thinking and I made one out of Delrin on my
lathe. I had to make it 2 pieces but it fits. The real set will be
aluminum.
Can anyone object to solid front bushings opposed to the rubber
ones? The purpose of the bushings is to locate the sway bar and
provide curb bumpers for the subframe. The solid bushings will do
that except for the bumpers part. Any ideas?
Miles

[friend]

I don't think it will work. The swaybar needs support and the capability to
move. the metal bushing could be made with a bit of play, but they they
will make a horrad sound and squeek.
On the note of sway bar bushings, I can still get them for both center and
ends, before and after Apr 1971 sedans and coupes. But how about a sway
bar for the rear end?
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Miles
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:56 PM
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Front Sway Bar Bushings
I'm making great progress on my 600 sedan. It's the one I bought a
couple months ago for $400 that had the funny electrical problem. I
got all the electrical done, redid the rear brake cylinders & shoes,
cleaned up the engine compartment today, dismantled and reassembled
the front brakes, then noticed some bone head mechanic installed a
later model lower control arm mismatched with an earlier one (uses
different bushings).
I had to cancel my listing for used sway bar from eBay and add
another late model lower arm. Now my front sway bar rubbers have
turned to rocks - instead of the norm where they dissolve and fall
off on the street. I sold my coupe sway bar rubbers so now I don't
have any at all. Got to thinking and I made one out of Delrin on my
lathe. I had to make it 2 pieces but it fits. The real set will be
aluminum.
Can anyone object to solid front bushings opposed to the rubber
ones? The purpose of the bushings is to locate the sway bar and
provide curb bumpers for the subframe. The solid bushings will do
that except for the bumpers part. Any ideas?
Miles

[jpro8071]

--- In 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

> But how about a sway
> bar for the rear end?
> Bill

A car I purchased and stripped had a rear sway bar kludged onto it.
I'll try to dig up the photos.
-Eric

[Tom Rapini]

You guys are losing me on this one... what would a sway bar do on a rear
axle that already has a rigid leaf spring structure?
Tom

[tbwills]

A rear bar reduces body roll. Even though there is a solid rear axle,
the body can still roll (ie: one side drops lower than the other).
And reducing rear body roll helps reduce understeer.
I've fitted a rear bar to my 360cc Watercooled Z (which never appeared
in the USA) which my son & I use for motorkhanas (low speed
manovering events) and it made a wonderful difference to the handling
of the car. I fitted a front bar from the same model to the rear with
some home-made mounts.
Murray.

On Monday 05 February 2007 10:28, Tom Rapini wrote:
> You guys are losing me on this one... what would a sway bar do on a
> rear axle that already has a rigid leaf spring structure?
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jpro8071 To: Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 9:43 AM
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Rear sway bar (was Re: Front Sway Bar
> Bushings)
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, wrote:
> > But how about a sway
> > bar for the rear end?
> > Bill
> A car I purchased and stripped had a rear sway bar kludged onto it.
> I'll try to dig up the photos.
> -Eric

[friend]

Hi Murray;
Sounds great, how did you mout it to the car? Pictures I can post on
the group site?
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Murray Atkinson
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 4:01 PM
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Rear sway bar (was Re: Front Sway Bar
Bushings)
A rear bar reduces body roll. Even though there is a solid rear axle,
the body can still roll (ie: one side drops lower than the other).
And reducing rear body roll helps reduce understeer.
I've fitted a rear bar to my 360cc Watercooled Z (which never appeared
in the USA) which my son & I use for motorkhanas (low speed
manovering events) and it made a wonderful difference to the handling
of the car. I fitted a front bar from the same model to the rear with
some home-made mounts.
Murray.

On Monday 05 February 2007 10:28, Tom Rapini wrote:
> You guys are losing me on this one... what would a sway bar do on a
> rear axle that already has a rigid leaf spring structure?
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jpro8071 To: Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 9:43 AM
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Rear sway bar (was Re: Front Sway Bar
> Bushings)
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, wrote:
> > But how about a sway
> > bar for the rear end?
> > Bill
> A car I purchased and stripped had a rear sway bar kludged onto it.
> I'll try to dig up the photos.
> -Eric

[MarkN]

I made some Delrin bushings for my front sway bar that worked great. I
only ran them for a summer, but when I pulled the swaybar off, there
was no appreciable wear. No, there was no noise or grinding sensation
coming from the bushings either. Delrin is wonderful stuff. My
bushings looked like thread bobbins cut in half. I did cut the
subframe side of the bobbin down to load the bushing evenly (so it
wouldn't ride on just the flanges).
-Miles E.

> Can anyone object to solid front bushings opposed to the rubber
> ones? The purpose of the bushings is to locate the sway bar and
> provide curb bumpers for the subframe. The solid bushings will do
> that except for the bumpers part. Any ideas?
> Miles

[jpro8071]

I posted pictures in the photos section - under "Rear Sway Bar"
http://autos.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/ ... rowse/6d40
The mounts to the spring mounts were nice. The part to the body was
pretty poor. (I'll have to see how the stock front one lines up -
great suggestion!)