Re: [2cylinderhondas] Headliner

dealadayray · Post by **dealadayray** » Thu Aug 29, 2002 12:04 am

Well Joe;
What makes the head liner look dirty is the glue holding the foam rubber
in place giving the puffy look to your head liner. Since the Foam has all
but gone away the glue has discolored the fabric. So washing may make it
worse especially if you use a cleaning agent like 409.
Almost 11 years ago, Harry Lineback and I had the same problem while he
was restoring his sedan. How to remove the head liner, first remove the
rear view mirror, visors, and locate three inch long clips which are riveted
to a bar that stretches across the front of the visor. So we thought some
special tools were necessary if we wanted to take the liner out and not rip
it to shreds. Locating some fairly strong sheet metal we bent/fabricated
two tools. One to hold the metal 1/2 inch by about 3/4 inch metal clip
holding it tight to the front sheet metal lip above the wind shield. Then
we additionally cut a almost 3/4 inch slot about 1/6 of an inch deep. It
works like this, Locate the clip, put the larger of the two tools on it and
push it away from the cars sheet metal lip. Then use the other tool to lift
the head liner clip up and over the Sheet Metal lip and free the head liner
from the front of the car. This is the same with the rear of the car. then
slide the cross bars down a ways so you car turn them side ways and take
them down.
Note: I put a few pictures on the Group Page for ANZ Group so
you can see what the tools look like. They really make the job so easy.
As I said earlier cleaning is not an option, it only makes it worse. So
if the liner is in good condition, take it to an upholstery shop and have a
new one made. Or if it is only discolored and otherwise a really nice
headliner. Hang it vertical and inside your garage or other well
ventilated room. And purchase two items. I like SEM Phantom White #15003,
flexible Color Coat for Vinyl and rigid plastics, carpet or even velour.
The stuff is great. But you will also need SEM Vinyl Prep #3834. This is a
must and if you don't follow the directions on the can, it will fall off.
Cleaning here is really important as is any painting, everything is in the
preparation of the surface to be painted. After reading and following all
the instructions, which means you applied a number of dry coats instead of
one wet coat, your head liner should look as new.
Now you will need a friend (who listens to you) to assist you in
replacing the head liner. Here use the tools again, but use a clean cloth
over the edge that will be touching the headliner. And your done.
Normally one can and bottle of prep will do a couple of headliners.
Bill

friend · Post by **friend** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:19 am

Steve;
Note; The head liner on the coupe cant be removed without removing the windshield. And a putty knife will do well to push down on the head liner holding tangs. If you need to get it done for either I need the old head liner and I can get it remade.
Bill
-----Original Message-----

lyletrudell · Post by **lyletrudell** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:16 pm

Back to body work.
I have my Orange coupe stripped and on a rottiserie.
The head liner is out and now I can fix the dents in the roof.
The problem, I can pop the dent out from inside the car, but with a little pressure I can pop it back in!!
Beer can comes to mind!
That won't work, so how do I reinforce the roof?
I could rotate the car upside down and put a thin layer of fiberglass cloth in?
Body work is not my trade, Help!
Lyle

--- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, wrote:
> Steve;
> Note; The head liner on the coupe cant be removed without removing the
> windshield. And a putty knife will do well to push down on the head liner
> holding tangs. If you need to get it done for either I need the old head
> liner and I can get it remade.
> Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
]On Behalf Of Steven Michelsen
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 4:20 PM
> To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Headliner
> There are homemade headliner tools photos on the group site, as described
> below...
http://autos.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/ ... rowse/fae7?
> m=l
> Here is what Bill C said on the topic in 2002, originally in post
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/anz ... essage/251
> What makes the head liner look dirty is the glue holding the foam rubber
> in place giving the puffy look to your head liner. Since the Foam has all
> but gone away the glue has discolored the fabric. So washing may make it
> worse especially if you use a cleaning agent like 409.
> Almost 11 years ago, Harry Lineback and I had the same problem while he
> was restoring his sedan. How to remove the head liner, first remove the
> rear view mirror, visors, and locate three inch long clips which are
> riveted
> to a bar that stretches across the front of the visor. So we thought some
> special tools were necessary if we wanted to take the liner out and not
> rip
> it to shreds. Locating some fairly strong sheet metal we bent/fabricated
> two tools. One to hold the metal 1/2 inch by about 3/4 inch metal clip
> holding it tight to the front sheet metal lip above the wind shield. Then
> we additionally cut a almost 3/4 inch slot about 1/6 of an inch deep. It
> works like this, Locate the clip, put the larger of the two tools on it
> and
> push it away from the cars sheet metal lip. Then use the other tool to
> lift
> the head liner clip up and over the Sheet Metal lip and free the head
> liner
> from the front of the car. This is the same with the rear of the car. then
> slide the cross bars down a ways so you car turn them side ways and take
> them down.
> Note: I put a few pictures on the Group Page for ANZ Group so
> you can see what the tools look like. They really make the job so easy.
> As I said earlier cleaning is not an option, it only makes it worse. So
> if the liner is in good condition, take it to an upholstery shop and have
> a
> new one made. Or if it is only discolored and otherwise a really nice
> headliner. Hang it vertical and inside your garage or other well
> ventilated room. And purchase two items. I like SEM Phantom White #15003,
> flexible Color Coat for Vinyl and rigid plastics, carpet or even velour.
> The stuff is great. But you will also need SEM Vinyl Prep #3834. This is a
> must and if you don't follow the directions on the can, it will fall off.
> Cleaning here is really important as is any painting, everything is in the
> preparation of the surface to be painted. After reading and following all
> the instructions, which means you applied a number of dry coats instead of
> one wet coat, your head liner should look as new.
> Now you will need a friend (who listens to you) to assist you in
> replacing the head liner. Here use the tools again, but use a clean cloth
> over the edge that will be touching the headliner. And your done.
> Normally one can and bottle of prep will do a couple of headliners.
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kristoferdahl"
> To: Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 2:41 PM
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Headliner
> > I'm wondering if anyone has a recommended method for safely removing a
> > headliner from an N600/Z600 so that it can be put back?
> > I need to pop some dents, etc. out of the roofs of the cars, but their
> > headliners are in good shape so I'd like to reuse them.
> > Also I have a couple of Coupes that seem like they are white, but I'm
> > trying to determine if they are actually faded spring yellows? The
> > plastic 'hatches' are definately more yellow than white. The insides
> > of the doors seem a bit more yellow as well. Does the spring yellow
> > fade pretty much down to white?
> > -k

zinc2u · Post by **zinc2u** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:30 pm

Hi Lyle,
The problem you are encountering is because the metal is stretched. You can use a torch to shrink it but you have to be very careful because the metal is very thin and it is very easy to build up enough heat to melt through the metal. I like the other response someone offered about adding some ribs along the roof to keep it sprung back. This will work for a large area but if you have a smaller area which is stretched, you will need to shrink it to prevent it from exhibiting the oil can effect. Hmmm, come to think of it, you could probably put a localized rib in the stretched area and secure it with adhesive but that is kinda tacky and will not get you any accolades from a body repair person.
good luck. Body work on these cars can be tough for a novice because the metal is very thin.
Dale

> Back to body work.
> I have my Orange coupe stripped and on a
> rottiserie.
> The head liner is out and now I can fix the dents in the
> roof.
> The problem, I can pop the dent out from inside the car, but with a > little pressure I can pop it back in!!
> Beer can comes to mind!
> That
> won't work, so how do I reinforce the roof?
> I could rotate the car upside
> down and put a thin layer of fiberglass cloth in?
> Body work is not my
> trade, Help!
> Lyle
> --- In
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> wrote:
> > Steve;
> > Note; The
> head liner on the coupe cant be removed without removing the
> windshield. And a putty knife will do well to push down on the head > liner > > holding tangs. If you need to get it done for either I need the > old head > > liner and I can get it remade.
> > Bill
> > -----Original
> Message-----
> > From:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ]On
> Behalf Of Steven Michelsen
> > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 4:20
> PM
> > To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Headliner
> > There are
> homemade headliner tools photos on the group site, as described
> below...
> http://autos.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/ ... rowse/fae7?
> m=l
> > Here is what Bill C said on the topic in 2002, originally > in post
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/anz ... essage/251
> > What makes the head liner look dirty is the glue holding the foam > rubber > > in place giving the puffy look to your head liner. Since the > Foam has all > > but gone away the glue has discolored the fabric. So > washing may make it > > worse especially if you use a cleaning agent like > 409.
> > Almost 11 years ago, Harry Lineback and I had the same
> problem while he
> > was restoring his sedan. How to remove the head
> liner, first remove the
> > rear view mirror, visors, and locate three
> inch long clips which are
> > riveted
> > to a bar that stretches
> across the front of the visor. So we thought some
> > special tools were
> necessary if we wanted to take the liner out and not
> > rip
> > it to
> shreds. Locating some fairly strong sheet metal we bent/fabricated > > two > tools. One to hold the metal 1/2 inch by about 3/4 inch metal clip
> holding it tight to the front sheet metal lip above the wind shield.
> Then
> > we additionally cut a almost 3/4 inch slot about 1/6 of an inch > deep. It > > works like this, Locate the clip, put the larger of the two > tools on it > > and > > push it away from the cars sheet metal lip.
> Then use the other tool to
> > lift
> > the head liner clip up and
> over the Sheet Metal lip and free the head
> > liner
> > from the
> front of the car. This is the same with the rear of the car. then
> slide the cross bars down a ways so you car turn them side ways and > take > > them down.
> > Note: I put a few pictures on the Group Page
> for ANZ Group so
> > you can see what the tools look like. They really
> make the job so easy.
> > As I said earlier cleaning is not an
> option, it only makes it worse. So
> > if the liner is in good condition,
> take it to an upholstery shop and have
> > a
> > new one made. Or if
> it is only discolored and otherwise a really nice
> > headliner. Hang it
> vertical and inside your garage or other well
> > ventilated room. And
> purchase two items. I like SEM Phantom White #15003,
> > flexible Color
> Coat for Vinyl and rigid plastics, carpet or even velour.
> > The stuff is
> great. But you will also need SEM Vinyl Prep #3834. This is a > > must and > if you don't follow the directions on the can, it will fall off.
> Cleaning here is really important as is any painting, everything is in > the > > preparation of the surface to be painted. After reading and > following all > > the instructions, which means you applied a number of > dry coats instead of > > one wet coat, your head liner should look as > new.
> > Now you will need a friend (who listens to you) to
> assist you in
> > replacing the head liner. Here use the tools again, but
> use a clean cloth
> > over the edge that will be touching the headliner.
> And your done.
> > Normally one can and bottle of prep will do a couple of
> headliners.
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message
> -----
> > From: "kristoferdahl"
> > To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 2:41 PM
> > Subject: [2cylinderhondas]
> Headliner
> > > I'm wondering if anyone has a recommended
> method for safely removing a
> > > headliner from an N600/Z600 so that
> it can be put back?
> > > I need to pop some dents, etc.
> out of the roofs of the cars, but their
> > > headliners are in good
> shape so I'd like to reuse them.
> > > Also I have a
> couple of Coupes that seem like they are white, but I'm
> > > trying to
> determine if they are actually faded spring yellows? The > > > plastic > 'hatches' are definately more yellow than white. The insides > > > of > the doors seem a bit more yellow as well. Does the spring yellow
> fade pretty much down to white?
> > > -k

lyletrudell · Post by **lyletrudell** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:48 am

Hi Brad & Dale, thanks for the responses.
I would much rather work on the engine than do body work.
The sheet metal is so thin on these cars, it's hard to get the panels straight and then stay that way!
The heat shrinking sounds tricky, but I could try it on a scrap panel I have. If I can get the dent out and it stays pretty strong that would be great.
Then I will use the steel strips to help support the roof. I remember Bill saying to make sure the strips don't get in the way of the headliner.
New cars now bond internal steel supports with some kind of glue. I will search and see what they use.
Thanks again.
Lyle

--- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, goinhm@... wrote:
> Hi Lyle,
> The problem you are encountering is because the metal is stretched.
> You can use a torch to shrink it but you have to be very careful because the
> metal is very thin and it is very easy to build up enough heat to melt
> through the metal. I like the other response someone offered about adding some
> ribs along the roof to keep it sprung back. This will work for a large
> area but if you have a smaller area which is stretched, you will need to
> shrink it to prevent it from exhibiting the oil can effect. Hmmm, come to
> think of it, you could probably put a localized rib in the stretched area
> and secure it with adhesive but that is kinda tacky and will not get you any
> accolades from a body repair person.
> good luck. Body work on these cars can be tough for a novice because the
> metal is very thin.
> Dale
> Back to body work.
> I have my Orange coupe stripped and on a rottiserie.
> The head liner is out and now I can fix the dents in the roof.
> The problem, I can pop the dent out from inside the car, but with a little
> pressure I can pop it back in!!
> Beer can comes to mind!
> That won't work, so how do I reinforce the roof?
> I could rotate the car upside down and put a thin layer of fiberglass
> cloth in?
> Body work is not my trade, Help!
> Lyle
> --- In
_anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
_
> (mailto:
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
) , wrote:
> > Steve;
> > Note; The head liner on the coupe cant be removed without removing the
> > windshield. And a putty knife will do well to push down on the head
> liner
> > holding tangs. If you need to get it done for either I need the old head
> > liner and I can get it remade.
> > Bill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
_2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
_
> (mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
)
> > [mailto:
_2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
_
> (mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
) ]On Behalf Of Steven Michelsen
> > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 4:20 PM
> > To:
_2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
_
> (mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
)
> > Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Headliner
> > There are homemade headliner tools photos on the group site, as described
> > below...
> _
http://autos.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/ ... wse/fae7?_
> (
http://autos.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/ ... rowse/fae7?)
> > m=l
> > Here is what Bill C said on the topic in 2002, originally in post
> > _
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/anz ... ssage/251_
> (
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/anz ... essage/251)
> > What makes the head liner look dirty is the glue holding the foam rubber
> > in place giving the puffy look to your head liner. Since the Foam has all
> > but gone away the glue has discolored the fabric. So washing may make it
> > worse especially if you use a cleaning agent like 409.
> > Almost 11 years ago, Harry Lineback and I had the same problem while he
> > was restoring his sedan. How to remove the head liner, first remove the
> > rear view mirror, visors, and locate three inch long clips which are
> > riveted
> > to a bar that stretches across the front of the visor. So we thought some
> > special tools were necessary if we wanted to take the liner out and not
> > rip
> > it to shreds. Locating some fairly strong sheet metal we bent/fabricated
> > two tools. One to hold the metal 1/2 inch by about 3/4 inch metal clip
> > holding it tight to the front sheet metal lip above the wind shield.
> Then
> > we additionally cut a almost 3/4 inch slot about 1/6 of an inch deep. It
> > works like this, Locate the clip, put the larger of the two tools on it
> > and
> > push it away from the cars sheet metal lip. Then use the other tool to
> > lift
> > the head liner clip up and over the Sheet Metal lip and free the head
> > liner
> > from the front of the car. This is the same with the rear of the car.
> then
> > slide the cross bars down a ways so you car turn them side ways and take
> > them down.
> > Note: I put a few pictures on the Group Page for ANZ Group so
> > you can see what the tools look like. They really make the job so easy.
> > As I said earlier cleaning is not an option, it only makes it worse. So
> > if the liner is in good condition, take it to an upholstery shop and have
> > a
> > new one made. Or if it is only discolored and otherwise a really nice
> > headliner. Hang it vertical and inside your garage or other well
> > ventilated room. And purchase two items. I like SEM Phantom White #15003,
> > flexible Color Coat for Vinyl and rigid plastics, carpet or even velour.
> > The stuff is great. But you will also need SEM Vinyl Prep #3834. This is
> a
> > must and if you don't follow the directions on the can, it will fall off.
> > Cleaning here is really important as is any painting, everything is in
> the
> > preparation of the surface to be painted. After reading and following all
> > the instructions, which means you applied a number of dry coats instead
> of
> > one wet coat, your head liner should look as new.
> > Now you will need a friend (who listens to you) to assist you in
> > replacing the head liner. Here use the tools again, but use a clean cloth
> > over the edge that will be touching the headliner. And your done.
> > Normally one can and bottle of prep will do a couple of headliners.
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "kristoferdahl"
> > To: (mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
) >
> > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 2:41 PM
> > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Headliner
> > > I'm wondering if anyone has a recommended method for safely removing a
> > > headliner from an N600/Z600 so that it can be put back?
> > > I need to pop some dents, etc. out of the roofs of the cars, but their
> > > headliners are in good shape so I'd like to reuse them.
> > > Also I have a couple of Coupes that seem like they are white, but I'm
> > > trying to determine if they are actually faded spring yellows? The
> > > plastic 'hatches' are definately more yellow than white. The insides
> > > of the doors seem a bit more yellow as well. Does the spring yellow
> > > fade pretty much down to white?
> > > -k