I would be interested in pictures and instructions for the oil cooler for the n600. Anything to help my car last longer is worth the money if you ask me.
Bill Colford wrote:
Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year.> Hi Vaughn;
> You can do this yourself, I have several filter caps and center > bolts already modified I can provide along with detailed instructions to > find the items you need and make it your self. The kit I have was put > together by me, they are made up from a some what long list of > manufacturers. The important thing is to keep the street "L" brass > fittings, hoses and clamps as close to the engine as possible. Harry > Lineback even added metal bands to protect the hoses from being hit. I > drove my car > without any protection for 8 years and never had a problem.
> Then there have been other owners that were not as mindful and hit curbs and > parking lot stall stops causing the hose to be pulled off. As the attached > picture shows they are really close to the engine and literally up away from > everything.
> If your interested in more pictures and prices please e-mail me at > billmyong@.... But don't get me wrong, this is not a cheap > transition. The oil thermostat made by EMPI runs at just over $80.00 alone.
> The cooler with the VW remote filter and coils (when listed) runs in the > $85.00 to $120.00 range. It would take a whole bunch of Honda filters to > brake even if that is your only reason for installing a oil cooler. The > real reason is that in the tests I have run (placing a modified oil drain > plug on a Honda 600 and > installing a temperature gauge) I monitored engine > temperatures during many different driving conditions. This was on a motor > that had over 50 K on the speedometer. normally doing 65 on the freeways, > kept the Honda 600 running at about 165 degrees (where it should be), but > once off the freeway and stopping at the first light (a few hundred feet > from the off ramp) and temperatures would rise to 230 and above. And, then > because traffic normally slowed to 25 or less the engine kept that 230 and > in some instances went considerably higher. This was not just a quick few > times down the freeway and into traffic, I used the car as a daily driver > for almost a year, monitoring how it ran and if it got higher in the summer > or if I started driving on ground streets and over the same distance did the > temperature hit 230 or above in stop and go traffic as it did coming off the > freeway. And it always did, > although taking longer the air traveling across > the engine and movement by the fan did not keep the oil at the 165 degree > range.
> I then added the oil cooler and measured everything before starting > the test again. I drove it giving it full throttle from many a corner, and > then I pulled the engine every 10K miles and measured for wear. I won't say > there were not some things that had to be replaced. After 45K miles into > the test the cam chain had to be replaced as it had stretched almost 3/4in > from new. I also had re-used old transmission and all it's bearings when > first putting the engine together and I had a primary shaft bearing showing > some wear (they will start a side movement) which was replaced as well as > the transmission bearing keepers. But the most significant change in the > engine was that there was no tar (blackening from over heated oil) inside
> the engine. I opened the oil filters after each oil change to see if there > were any metal chips or other foreign particles. I didn't find anything, > and I was using a 20W50 oil manufactured for motor cycles using the same oil > for both engine and transmission as the Honda 600 does. In fact, several > times I changed the filter every 3K miles and the oil at 6 to 7 months.
> The test ran for almost 50K miles and 4 engine pulls and measuring key > points, > 1 - piston wear causing piston slap > 2 - piston ring wear > 3 - piston cylinder wear > 4 - oil pump wear > 5 - transmission lash and bearings > 6 - crank shaft end bearings and bearing cages > 7 - cam end cap > housings and cam.
> 8 - it the torque was maintained on the head studs and bolts > 9 - rocker arms and shafts > just to name a few.
> The test stopped when I sold the car in 1997. Will it add additional miles > to your Honda 600, I think so, and when I put a oil cooler on the engine I > first only had the oil temp gauge on, it ran much better. And, many of the > cars using an oil cooler are still on the road.
> But if the metal is not there to begin with, nothing will keep it > wearing more and eventually break. Too much Heat causes wear, more oil and > keeping it at its optimal running temp along with better filters can only > help. Did Honda have a poor design with the filter they used, I don't think > so. However they didn't think people would still be driving them 30 years > later > either.
> Bill
> Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
> howardsugarman@...
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 8:17 AM
> To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [anzhonda600owners] New 600 owner
> Hi Bill, So... how much will this oil cooler retrofit
> cost? it definite sound good. I am interested in
> getting one, so... I don't have to pay for these
> expensive NOS filter when went ever i want to change
> the oil, i can walk into Autozone and pickup the
> filter and oil and im done under 10 bucks. :) I just
> recently got the car and havent even took the oil
> filter out as of yet. From looking at the manual, it
> looks like just a paper filter from like an ATV or
> something like
> that. I am definitely interested in the
> COOLER AND OIL Retrofit kit.
> Thanks
> Vaughn
> --- Bill Colford wrote:
> > Shoki;
> > Being around aircraft like you are you know the
> > value of a cool clean
> > running engine. I have a oil cooler that moves your
> > oil filter to a remote
> > filter next to the battery tray and with a PH8A
> > filter adds a bit more than
> > a quart of oil to your system. It also includes a
> > oil thermostat to allow
> > quick warm up's and then continued temperature
> > monitoring. Also you can add
> > an oil pressure and temp gauges giving you
> > additional information. Send
> > your e-mail address and I will send you pictures of
> > a recent installation in
> > a sedan that also put in Mike O'Connor's 40 over
> > pistons.
> > Bill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
> > Of Shoki Haraguchi
> > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 9:37 PM
> > To: anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [anzhonda600owners] New 600 onwer
> > Bill,
> > Thank you very much for your advices. I will do
> > as
> > much as I can. It is
> > great running condition. When I picked up this N at
> > Santa Ana, I went over there with one of my friend
> > who
> > drive Citroen Army6 everyday. It is air cool 2
> > cylinder french lemon!! He used to own N600. He
> > said
> > it is great shape. After he check my car about 1
> > hours, we canceled rental flat bed and drove up to
> > SF.
> 420 miles. No problem at all. Each 30
> > minutes,
> > we stopped and let it cool down and check oil and
> > brake. No leak, clearn all way up. Last few days we
> > had huge rain so I did not drive this.
> > This car was at Japanese Classic Car Show Queen
> > Mary Park, Long Beach CA last Oct.1st 2005. It did
> > not win but for me more than enough to buy it.
> > FlyingJap
> > PS.I am flight instructor so everyday fly over SFO!!
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