Hello everyone,
I've been tinkering with one of my '71 sedans and a few weeks ago I got it running when I bypassed the plugged up fuel tank. I tried starting it again last week and it quit cranking when I turned the key. I pulled it out and hooked it up to a battery and it seemed to be OK (bendix spun up and moved, etc.), but I installed the starter from my parts car anyway. It started cranking again, but it did so very slowly and would not spin fast enough to start the car. I tried again yesterday and it also quit cranking.....no clicking, just turn the key and nothing happens.
Did I fry both starters? Is this common? What is the prognosis? Do I just need to tear it apart and clean it up and maybe replace the brushes or ?? HELP!!!
Thanks,
Mike Valentine
(2) '71 Sedans!!
Starter problems
Re: Starter problems
Hi Mike,
The problem is most likely in one of four areas;
1. the starter motor
2. the starter solenoid
3. the cabling
4. ignition switch
To check the starter motor after it is removed from the car , use some jumper cables and connect the negative to the case of the starter motor and the positive to the bolt of the starter motor which has the heavy gauge wire going to it. The motor should start spinning. If it doesn't, you can remove the metal end cap and check the brushes and where they make contact. This area can get dirty and oily and may only need cleaning. Or it may need new brushes if they are worn down.
With the negative side of the battery still connected to the starter motor case, if you touch the positive side of your jumper cable to the small tab on the solenoid (above the 2 larger bolts), you should hear a click noise and the bendix should move. If you don't hear a click or see it move, the contactor inside the solenoid may have a problem. You can take the solenoid apart and clean the contacts which are made of copper.
You may have a problem with the cabling from the battery. The starter motor needs 150+ amps when it is trying to turn over the motor. The negative cable from the battery needs to be a clean connection at the battery and at motor. The positive cable from the battery to the starter motor also needs to be a clean connection.
If the above items are good and with the starter motor in the car you cannot start it, the problem may be in the ignition switch. Pull off the wire going to the tab on the solenoid and use a remote starter (or a piece of wire or screwdriver). Connect from the positive side of the battery to the tab of the solenoid and the engine should turn over. If this works but it will not do this from the ignition switch (don't forget to connect the wire back onto the tab of the solenoid), you may have a problem with the switch or the wiring in the area of the switch which goes to the tab on the solenoid.
good luck,
Dale
The problem is most likely in one of four areas;
1. the starter motor
2. the starter solenoid
3. the cabling
4. ignition switch
To check the starter motor after it is removed from the car , use some jumper cables and connect the negative to the case of the starter motor and the positive to the bolt of the starter motor which has the heavy gauge wire going to it. The motor should start spinning. If it doesn't, you can remove the metal end cap and check the brushes and where they make contact. This area can get dirty and oily and may only need cleaning. Or it may need new brushes if they are worn down.
With the negative side of the battery still connected to the starter motor case, if you touch the positive side of your jumper cable to the small tab on the solenoid (above the 2 larger bolts), you should hear a click noise and the bendix should move. If you don't hear a click or see it move, the contactor inside the solenoid may have a problem. You can take the solenoid apart and clean the contacts which are made of copper.
You may have a problem with the cabling from the battery. The starter motor needs 150+ amps when it is trying to turn over the motor. The negative cable from the battery needs to be a clean connection at the battery and at motor. The positive cable from the battery to the starter motor also needs to be a clean connection.
If the above items are good and with the starter motor in the car you cannot start it, the problem may be in the ignition switch. Pull off the wire going to the tab on the solenoid and use a remote starter (or a piece of wire or screwdriver). Connect from the positive side of the battery to the tab of the solenoid and the engine should turn over. If this works but it will not do this from the ignition switch (don't forget to connect the wire back onto the tab of the solenoid), you may have a problem with the switch or the wiring in the area of the switch which goes to the tab on the solenoid.
good luck,
Dale
> I've
> been tinkering with one of my '71 sedans and a few weeks ago I got it running > when I bypassed the plugged up fuel tank. I tried starting it again last week > and it quit cranking when I turned the key. I pulled it out and hooked it up > to a battery and it seemed to be OK (bendix spun up and moved, etc.), but I > installed the starter from my parts car anyway. It started cranking again, but > it did so very slowly and would not spin fast enough to start the car. I tried > again yesterday and it also quit cranking.....no clicking, just turn the key > and nothing happens.
> Did I fry both starters? Is this common? What is
> the prognosis? Do I just need to tear it apart and clean it up and maybe > replace the brushes or ?? HELP!!!
> Thanks,
> Mike Valentine
> (2)
> '71 Sedans!!
Re: Starter problems
Same thing happened to me... check and clean all of your grounds.
that might be a simple fix.
good luck
Tom T
that might be a simple fix.
good luck
Tom T
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> Hello everyone,
> I've been tinkering with one of my '71 sedans and a
> few weeks ago I got it running when I bypassed the plugged up fuel tank. I > tried starting it again last week and it quit cranking when I turned the key.
> I pulled it out and hooked it up to a battery and it seemed to be OK (bendix > spun up and moved, etc.), but I installed the starter from my parts car > anyway. It started cranking again, but it did so very slowly and would not > spin fast enough to start the car. I tried again yesterday and it also quit > cranking.....no clicking, just turn the key and nothing happens.
> Did I
> fry both starters? Is this common? What is the prognosis? Do I just need to > tear it apart and clean it up and maybe replace the brushes or ?? HELP!!!
> Thanks,
> Mike Valentine
> (2) '71 Sedans!!
Re: Starter problems
Thanks for everyone's replies. It probably is a bad ground somewhere.....this car has sat for 15 years and I just haven't gone through everything yet. All I know is that it started up with no issues several weeks ago and now it doesn't. The battery cables are questionable and the main fuse hasn't been checked yet either. I will be playing with it again this weekend and will let you guys know what happens.
Mike Valentine
(2) '71 sedans!!
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From: "TOM THIES"
To:
Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Starter problems
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:37:59 -0700
Same thing happened to me... check and clean all of your grounds. that might be a simple fix.
good luck Tom T
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(2) '71 sedans!!
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From: "TOM THIES"
To:
Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Starter problems
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:37:59 -0700
Same thing happened to me... check and clean all of your grounds. that might be a simple fix.
good luck Tom T
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> Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:33 AM
> Subject:
> [2cylinderhondas] Starter problems
> Hello everyone,
> I've been tinkering with one of my '71 sedans and a few weeks ago I got it running when I bypassed the plugged up fuel tank. I tried starting it again last week and it quit cranking when I turned the key. I pulled it out and hooked it up to a battery and it seemed to be OK (bendix spun up and moved, etc.), but I installed the starter from my parts car anyway. It started cranking again, but it did so very slowly and would not spin fast enough to start the car. I tried again yesterday and it also quit cranking.....no clicking, just turn the key and nothing happens.
> Did I fry both starters? Is this common? What is the prognosis? Do I just need to tear it apart and clean it up and maybe replace the brushes or ?? HELP!!!
> Thanks,
> Mike Valentine
> (2) '71 Sedans!!
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Re: Starter problems
It probably jumped valve timing. A car that sat that long is bound to have some internal issues. Check the mechanical timing before trying to start it again. Honda 600s bend valves.
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> All I know is that it started up with no issues several weeks ago and now it doesn't.
> Mike Valentine
> (2) '71 sedans!!
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "TOM THIES"
> To: Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Starter problems
> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:37:59 -0700
> Same thing happened to me... check and clean all of your grounds. that might be a simple fix.good luckTom T----- Original Message -----From: mr.n600To: 2cylinderhondas@...: Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:33 AMSubject: [2cylinderhondas] Starter problems Hello everyone,
> I've been tinkering with one of my '71 sedans and a few weeks ago I got it running when I bypassed the plugged up fuel tank. I tried starting it again last week and it quit cranking when I turned the key. I pulled it out and hooked it up to a battery and it seemed to be OK (bendix spun up and moved, etc.), but I installed the starter from my parts car anyway. It started cranking again, but it did so very slowly and would not spin fast enough to start the car. I tried again yesterday and it also quit cranking.....no clicking, just turn the key and nothing happens.
> Did I fry both starters? Is this common? What is the prognosis? Do I just need to tear it apart and clean it up and maybe replace the brushes or ?? HELP!!!
> Thanks,
> Mike Valentine
> (2) '71 Sedans!!
> $13/Month Car Insurance?
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Re: Starter problems
Thanks.....I'll check the timing out, but I really doubt that that is the problem. It doesn't start right now because the starter just isn't engaging (when it did it cranked very slowly like the battery was flat). I'm fairly certain it would start if I push started it, but I really don't want to do that.
I may not get to it this weekend though......my '59 Bugeye decided to catch fire yesterday (minor) so I'll be pulling off the carbs to clean them out and replace some melted parts. It's always something with old cars!
Mike Valentine
(2) '71 sedans!!
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To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Starter problems
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:40:43 -0000
It probably jumped valve timing. A car that sat that long is bound to have some internal issues. Check the mechanical timing before trying to start it again. Honda 600s bend valves.
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I may not get to it this weekend though......my '59 Bugeye decided to catch fire yesterday (minor) so I'll be pulling off the carbs to clean them out and replace some melted parts. It's always something with old cars!
Mike Valentine
(2) '71 sedans!!
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From: "feltonminicycle"
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Starter problems
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:40:43 -0000
It probably jumped valve timing. A car that sat that long is bound to have some internal issues. Check the mechanical timing before trying to start it again. Honda 600s bend valves.
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, "mrfiero@..." wrote:
> All I know is that it started up with no issues several weeks ago and now it doesn't.
> Mike Valentine
> (2) '71 sedans!!
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "TOM THIES"
> To: Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Starter problems
> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:37:59 -0700
> Same thing happened to me... check and clean all of your grounds. that might be a simple fix.good luckTom T----- Original Message -----From: mr.n600To: 2cylinderhondas@...: Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:33 AMSubject: [2cylinderhondas] Starter problems Hello everyone,
> I've been tinkering with one of my '71 sedans and a few weeks ago I got it running when I bypassed the plugged up fuel tank. I tried starting it again last week and it quit cranking when I turned the key. I pulled it out and hooked it up to a battery and it seemed to be OK (bendix spun up and moved, etc.), but I installed the starter from my parts car anyway. It started cranking again, but it did so very slowly and would not spin fast enough to start the car. I tried again yesterday and it also quit cranking.....no clicking, just turn the key and nothing happens.
> Did I fry both starters? Is this common? What is the prognosis? Do I just need to tear it apart and clean it up and maybe replace the brushes or ?? HELP!!!
> Thanks,
> Mike Valentine
> (2) '71 Sedans!!
> $13/Month Car Insurance?
> Insurance deal just passed now allows you to get car insurance for $13
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