Timing rollers

Steve A · Post by **Steve A** » Mon May 09, 2011 4:26 pm

Does anyone need lower and upper timing chain rollers and primary
I have a set of them and they are great quality needle bearing in the lower one
bronse others let me know if interested I will pass email to you

feltonminicycle · Post by **feltonminicycle** » Tue May 10, 2011 9:04 am

I made and tested rollers made of Delrin (Acetal Plastic) 10 years ago and the guide roller could not hold the temperature. I installed and removed the melted roller myself from a customer's car.
What is the material in these rollers shown?
Miles

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2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "Steve A" wrote:
> Does anyone need lower and upper timing chain rollers and primary
> I have a set of them and they are great quality needle bearing in the lower one
> bronse others let me know if interested I will pass email to you

Lyle · Post by **Lyle** » Tue May 10, 2011 10:43 pm

Like Miles I am wondering what the material is?
Delrin and most plastics will not take the heat and pressures of a high rev timing chain.
Some nylons have been used on water cooled engines, but an air cooled engine is running much higher temp's.
It would be great if you found a material that will work.
Any info or test info would be useful if you want to sell these.
Japan was selling rollers, but not sure how they held up to hours of use.
?
Lyle

--- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "feltonminicycle" wrote:
> I made and tested rollers made of Delrin (Acetal Plastic) 10 years ago and the guide roller could not hold the temperature. I installed and removed the melted roller myself from a customer's car.
> What is the material in these rollers shown?
> Miles
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "Steve A" wrote:
> > Does anyone need lower and upper timing chain rollers and primary
> > I have a set of them and they are great quality needle bearing in the lower one
> > bronse others let me know if interested I will pass email to you

twincarb600 · Post by **twincarb600** » Tue May 10, 2011 11:15 pm

The rollers from Japan I think are nylon for the bottom and steel for the top roller. The ones from Japan use ball bearing and not bushings. I have bought several from Japan but have never used them yet. I'll look closer the next time I'm digging around.

--- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "Lyle" wrote:
> Like Miles I am wondering what the material is?
> Delrin and most plastics will not take the heat and pressures of a high rev timing chain.
> Some nylons have been used on water cooled engines, but an air cooled engine is running much higher temp's.
> It would be great if you found a material that will work.
> Any info or test info would be useful if you want to sell these.
> Japan was selling rollers, but not sure how they held up to hours of use.
> ?
> Lyle
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "feltonminicycle" wrote:
> > I made and tested rollers made of Delrin (Acetal Plastic) 10 years ago and the guide roller could not hold the temperature. I installed and removed the melted roller myself from a customer's car.
> > What is the material in these rollers shown?
> > Miles
> > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "Steve A" wrote:
> > > Does anyone need lower and upper timing chain rollers and primary
> > > I have a set of them and they are great quality needle bearing in the lower one
> > > bronse others let me know if interested I will pass email to you

steve allen · Post by **steve allen** » Wed May 11, 2011 6:47 am

Im not selling these heres what he said when I ask
we have sold hundreds of these rollers for S600 / S800 and N600 / Z600 cars. They are made from a company working for Ferrari.

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Wed, 5/11/11, Lyle

wrote:
> From: Lyle
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Timing rollers Material?
> To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 1:43 AM
> Like Miles I am wondering what the material is?
> Delrin and most plastics will not take the heat and pressures of a high rev timing chain.
> Some nylons have been used on water cooled engines, but an air cooled engine is running much higher temp's.
> It would be great if you found a material that will work.
> Any info or test info would be useful if you want to sell these.
> Japan was selling rollers, but not sure how they held up to hours of use.
> ?
> Lyle
> --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> , "feltonminicycle" wrote:
> > I made and tested rollers made of Delrin (Acetal Plastic) 10 years ago and the guide roller could not hold the temperature. I installed and removed the melted roller myself from a customer's car.
> > What is the material in these rollers shown?
> > Miles
> > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> , "Steve A" wrote:
> > > Does anyone need lower and upper timing chain rollers and primary
> > > I have a set of them and they are great quality needle bearing in the lower one
> > > bronse others let me know if interested I will pass email to you

Jerry A · Post by **Jerry A** » Wed May 11, 2011 9:56 am

Correct, the Japanese units use nylon with ball bearings for the tensioner (toothed) wheel and what looks like machined aluminum with either bushing or roller bearing depending on which one you want. I am interested in his prices as units from Japan are about $120 each by the time they make it to your door.(depending on currency exchange rate of course). www.auto-spot.net is one of the Japanese suppliers.

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Wed, 5/11/11, twincarb600

wrote:
> From: twincarb600
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Timing rollers Material?
> To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 3:12 AM
> The rollers from Japan I think are nylon for the bottom and steel for the top roller. The ones from Japan use ball bearing and not bushings. I have bought several from Japan but have never used them yet. I'll look closer the next time I'm digging around.
> --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> , "Lyle" wrote:
> > Like Miles I am wondering what the material is?
> > Delrin and most plastics will not take the heat and pressures of a high rev timing chain.
> > Some nylons have been used on water cooled engines, but an air cooled engine is running much higher temp's.
> > It would be great if you found a material that will work.
> > Any info or test info would be useful if you want to sell these.
> > Japan was selling rollers, but not sure how they held up to hours of use.
> > ?
> > Lyle
> > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> , "feltonminicycle" wrote:
> > > I made and tested rollers made of Delrin (Acetal Plastic) 10 years ago and the guide roller could not hold the temperature. I installed and removed the melted roller myself from a customer's car.
> > > What is the material in these rollers shown?
> > > Miles
> > > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> , "Steve A" wrote:
> > > > Does anyone need lower and upper timing chain rollers and primary
> > > > I have a set of them and they are great quality needle bearing in the lower one
> > > > bronse others let me know if interested I will pass email to you

Kevin Lister · Post by **Kevin Lister** » Wed May 11, 2011 2:51 pm

Am I understanding this this correctly?
Is there a source for the chain rollers in the Honda 600 engines? The large one and the small one on the tensioner?
How about the slipper?
kev

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Wed, 5/11/11, steve allen

wrote:
From: steve allen
Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Timing rollers Material?
To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 6:47 AM
Im not selling these heres what he said when I ask
we have sold hundreds of these rollers for S600 / S800 and N600 / Z600 cars. They are made from a company working for Ferrari.
--- On
Wed, 5/11/11, Lyle

wrote:
> From: Lyle
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Timing rollers Material?
> To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 1:43 AM
> Like Miles I am wondering what the material is?
> Delrin and most plastics will not take the heat and pressures of a high rev timing chain.
> Some nylons have been used on water cooled engines, but an air cooled engine is running much higher temp's.
> It would be great if you found a material that will work.
> Any info or test info would be useful if you want to sell these.
> Japan was selling rollers, but not sure how they held up to hours of use.
> ?
> Lyle
> --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> , "feltonminicycle" wrote:
> > I made and tested rollers made of Delrin (Acetal Plastic) 10 years ago and the guide roller could not hold the temperature. I installed and removed the melted roller myself from a customer's car.
> > What is the material in these rollers shown?
> > Miles
> > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> , "Steve A" wrote:
> > > Does anyone need lower and upper timing chain rollers and primary
> > > I have a set of them and they are great quality needle bearing in the lower one > > > bronse others let me know if interested I will pass email to you

steve allen · Post by **steve allen** » Wed May 11, 2011 4:27 pm

No slipper primary tensioner

--- On
Wed, 5/11/11, Kevin Lister

wrote:
> From: Kevin Lister
> Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Timing rollers Material?
> To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 5:51 PM
> Am I understanding this this correctly?
> Is there a source for the chain rollers in the Honda 600 engines? The large one and the small one on the tensioner?
> How about the slipper?
> kev
> --- On
> Wed, 5/11/11, steve allen
>
> wrote:
> > From: steve allen
> > Subject: Re: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Timing rollers Material?
> > To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 6:47 AM
> > Im not selling these heres what he said when I ask
> > we have sold hundreds of these rollers for S600 / S800 and N600 / Z600 cars. They are made from a company working for Ferrari.
> > --- On
> > Wed, 5/11/11, Lyle
> >
> > wrote:
> > > From: Lyle
> > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Timing rollers Material?
> > > To: 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 1:43 AM
> > > Like Miles I am wondering what the material is?
> > > Delrin and most plastics will not take the heat and pressures of a high rev timing chain.
> > > Some nylons have been used on water cooled engines, but an air cooled engine is running much higher temp's.
> > > It would be great if you found a material that will work.
> > > Any info or test info would be useful if you want to sell these.
> > > Japan was selling rollers, but not sure how they held up to hours of use.
> > > ?
> > > Lyle
> > > --- In
> > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > , "feltonminicycle" wrote:
> > > > I made and tested rollers made of Delrin (Acetal Plastic) 10 years ago and the guide roller could not hold the temperature. I installed and removed the melted roller myself from a customer's car.
> > > > What is the material in these rollers shown?
> > > > Miles
> > > > --- In
> > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > , "Steve A" wrote:
> > > > > Does anyone need lower and upper timing chain rollers and primary
> > > > > I have a set of them and they are great quality needle bearing in the lower one > > > > > bronse others let me know if interested I will pass email to you

twincarb600 · Post by **twincarb600** » Wed May 11, 2011 7:12 pm

I have some of these from Auto-Spot. The upper roller is made out of steel with 1 bearing machined into it. The lower roller has 2 ball bearings and nylon. I never purchased the drive chain roller. I think when I got mine they didn't offer the them yet.

--- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, Jerry A wrote:
> Correct, the Japanese units use nylon with ball bearings for the tensioner (toothed) wheel and what looks like machined aluminum with either bushing or roller bearing depending on which one you want. I am interested in his prices as units from Japan are about $120 each by the time they make it to your door.(depending on currency exchange rate of course). www.auto-spot.net is one of the Japanese suppliers.
> --- On Wed, 5/11/11, twincarb600 wrote:
> From: twincarb600
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Timing rollers Material?
> To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 3:12 AM
> The rollers from Japan I think are nylon for the bottom and steel for the top roller. The ones from Japan use ball bearing and not bushings. I have bought several from Japan but have never used them yet. I'll look closer the next time I'm digging around.
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "Lyle" wrote:
> > Like Miles I am wondering what the material is?
> > Delrin and most plastics will not take the heat and pressures of a high rev timing chain.
> > Some nylons have been used on water cooled engines, but an air cooled engine is running much higher temp's.
> > It would be great if you found a material that will work.
> > Any info or test info would be useful if you want to sell these.
> > Japan was selling rollers, but not sure how they held up to hours of use.
> > ?
> > Lyle
> > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "feltonminicycle" wrote:
> > > I made and tested rollers made of Delrin (Acetal Plastic) 10 years ago and the guide roller could not hold the temperature. I installed and removed the melted roller myself from a customer's car.
> > > What is the material in these rollers shown?
> > > Miles
> > > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "Steve A" wrote:
> > > > Does anyone need lower and upper timing chain rollers and primary
> > > > I have a set of them and they are great quality needle bearing in the lower one
> > > > bronse others let me know if interested I will pass email to you

twincarb600 · Post by **twincarb600** » Wed May 11, 2011 7:22 pm

I just uploaded a picture of the upper roller. Look in the Misc photo folder.

--- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "twincarb600" wrote:
> I have some of these from Auto-Spot. The upper roller is made out of steel with 1 bearing machined into it. The lower roller has 2 ball bearings and nylon. I never purchased the drive chain roller. I think when I got mine they didn't offer the them yet.
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, Jerry A wrote:
> > Correct, the Japanese units use nylon with ball bearings for the tensioner (toothed) wheel and what looks like machined aluminum with either bushing or roller bearing depending on which one you want. I am interested in his prices as units from Japan are about $120 each by the time they make it to your door.(depending on currency exchange rate of course). www.auto-spot.net is one of the Japanese suppliers.
> > --- On Wed, 5/11/11, twincarb600 wrote:
> > From: twincarb600
> > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Timing rollers Material?
> > To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 3:12 AM
> > The rollers from Japan I think are nylon for the bottom and steel for the top roller. The ones from Japan use ball bearing and not bushings. I have bought several from Japan but have never used them yet. I'll look closer the next time I'm digging around.
> > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "Lyle" wrote:
> > > Like Miles I am wondering what the material is?
> > > Delrin and most plastics will not take the heat and pressures of a high rev timing chain.
> > > Some nylons have been used on water cooled engines, but an air cooled engine is running much higher temp's.
> > > It would be great if you found a material that will work.
> > > Any info or test info would be useful if you want to sell these.
> > > Japan was selling rollers, but not sure how they held up to hours of use.
> > > ?
> > > Lyle
> > > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "feltonminicycle" wrote:
> > > > I made and tested rollers made of Delrin (Acetal Plastic) 10 years ago and the guide roller could not hold the temperature. I installed and removed the melted roller myself from a customer's car.
> > > > What is the material in these rollers shown?
> > > > Miles
> > > > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, "Steve A" wrote:
> > > > > Does anyone need lower and upper timing chain rollers and primary
> > > > > I have a set of them and they are great quality needle bearing in the lower one
> > > > > bronse others let me know if interested I will pass email to you