Re: [2cylinderhondas] I want to replace sparkplug wires. What to u

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Re: [2cylinderhondas] I want to replace sparkplug wires. What to u

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Spark Plug wires;
    In California, EPA has out-law'd sale of anything but carbon core wires for any vehicles but off road use.
This is because copper wire won't carry the current as effectively as carbon core wires do.  Here is an analogy that really fits.  Look at current as water running through a hose, copper wire is a water hose with no nozzle on the end of the hose so at full pressure it pushes the water a foot or so out the end.  Place a nozzle on the end of that same hose and it will shoot across the street.   Carbon core wire is like having a nozzle on the end of your wires.
    Will copper wire work, yep, but carbon core wires work better.  And, if I have a choice I want better.
Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of > Richard Morris > Sent:
> Monday, January 09, 2006 7:50
> AM
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> RE:
> [2cylinderhondas] I want to replace sparkplug wires. What to use? Where to > buy?
> Marshall,
> The
> wires are easily removed from the coil. Where the wires go into the coil, > there is some glue. It is just on the outside and should be brittle. pop the > glue free and twist the wire counterclockwise. This unscrews it out of the > coil. Try it. Do not splice ignition wires, you will not get good > results.
> Once
> the wire is out, look down into the hole in the coil, you will see the > business end of a sheet metal screw that the wire screws > onto.
> Richard
> Morris
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of
> > Marshall Montchalin
> > Sent:
> > Monday, January 09,
> > 2006 9:40 AM
> > To:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject:
> > Re: [2cylinderhondas] I
> > want to replace sparkplug wires. What to use? Where to > > buy?
> > Two thoughts, first about changing coils to get new wires, then about > > the chain:
> > About the wires -they are part of the coil, not attached separately as > > distributor-based cars do...HERE'S 2 ideas WHAT To do:
> > 1. Go to a motorcycle repair shop, I once went to a Harley shop and > > they sold me a fairly "hot" coil from a motorcycle after I explained that my > > supercar was 4four-stroke but fires  both cylinders at the same time > > liike a two-stroke.
> >  You just get an extra spark on the exhaust stroke for cleaner > > running performance.
> > If you don't have motorcycle shops, a lawnmower repair shop would work.
> > The coil sparks through both plugs at the same time so a normal 12,000 volt > > coil might not be hot enough, but a motorcycle coil that puts out 18,000 > > volts might be about right, though you can run a HOT sparking coil without > > more penalty than mroe frequent replacement of points and plugs -no > > damage.
> > Motorcycles run the whole gamut of hot and cold coils, way more variety > > than cars, and your serviceman can guide you somewhat as to which coils are > > hotter.
> > OR
> > 2. YOU Can keep your coil and splice in regular car wires to the ends > > of your ignition coil, one on each end, from coil to left plug and from coil > > to right plug (unless the coil is as bad as the wires) with no > > distributor in the middle just come off each end of the coil secondary. The > > primary is grounded on one end and the other goes to your points.
> > Once you time the engine, you will know if you must move the chain:
> > Very dangerous if you drop the chain into the engine! Use a coat hangar to > > hook one end of the chainlink so nothing can fall, while keeping a finger on > > the chain at the cam so you can count teeth.
> > Also know about the 600's sweet spot: my car liked to be one link back > > and all the way forward at the timing adjustment. Whatever makes it run the > > best. Don't change your chain tooth just anywhere, but rotate the engine to > > TDC and the cam should line up to its indexes as indicated in the manual. If > > you're off, then the chain is off.
> > Best wishes,
> > Marshall
> > > I'm
> > > in the middle of a general tune up on my n600.  I replaced a > > > bunch > > > of stuff today and I'm hoping to also replace my spark plug > > > wires.
> > > Since I've never delt with a coil system (like this at > > > least) before > > > I'm a bit confused.  I'm used to working on 90s > > > civics where the spark > > > plug wires attach to the > > > distributor.
> > > Where can I get the proper wires/etc.?  Mine are
> > > slightly deteriorated
> > > and I'd prefer to just get a good set on
> > > there.
> > > Any help is
> > > appreciated.
> > > Matt
> > '88 Plymouth Sundance 2.2l
> > Used-to-drive: Chrysler
> > Simca 1204
> > Yahoo! Photos
> > Ring in the New Year with
> > Photo
> > Calendars
> > . Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.
dana
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Re: [2cylinderhondas] I want to replace sparkplug wires. What to u

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Bill,
I am glad this is the USA, because I can voice a differing opinion.
I firmly believe that you are wrong on the wires. By the way, are the original wires carbon or copper centers? (Copper of course!).
Here are a couple of points (no pun intended) to think on.
1. the original wires are copper center.
2.
Race cars use copper center wire, not carbon center (drag racers, NASCAR, etc)
3.
Power line companies use copper wire, they are in the business of power transmission. If it were economical, they would use silver or gold wire as they conduct even better. (and the larger the diameter, the lower the losses).
4.
Your first sentence says the reason you use carbon center wires. You live in California. The solid core wires create radio interference (i.e.: noise or electrical pollution).
5. A common resistor (a current limiting device) is a carbon center. It is as bad as a low flow toilet. yes, they work, but I want (and need) a power flush.
Don't take offense at these responses, but legally, you can put solid core wires back on your Honda coil as the restrictions are waived due to the vehicles age.
Putting resistor wires on it is akin to putting a cat converter on it. You don't have to do it.
If you still think I am wrong, I am willing to send you a set of solid core wires to try. Your car will start and run better.
Richard Morris
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of > Bill Colford > Sent:
> Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:31
> AM
> To:
> anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com;
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> RE: [2cylinderhondas] I
> want to replace sparkplug wires. What to use? Where to
> buy?
> Spark Plug wires;
>     In California, EPA has out-law'd
> sale of anything but carbon core wires for any vehicles but off road > use.  This is because copper wire won't carry the current as effectively > as carbon core wires do.  Here is an analogy that really fits.  Look > at current as water running through a hose, copper wire is a water hose with > no nozzle on the end of the hose so at full pressure it pushes the water a > foot or so out the end.  Place a nozzle on the end of that same hose and > it will shoot across the street.   Carbon core wire is like having a > nozzle on the end of your wires.
>     Will copper wire work, yep, but
> carbon core wires work better.  And, if I have a choice I want better.
> Bill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of
> > Richard
> > Morris
> > Sent:
> > Monday, January 09, 2006 7:50 AM
> > To:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject:
> > RE: [2cylinderhondas] I
> > want to replace sparkplug wires. What to use? Where to > > buy?
> > Marshall,
> > The wires are easily removed from the coil. Where
> > the wires go into the coil, there is some glue. It is just on the outside > > and should be brittle. pop the glue free and twist the wire > > counterclockwise. This unscrews it out of the coil. Try it. Do not splice > > ignition wires, you will not get good results.
> > Once the wire is out, look down into the hole in the coil, you will > > see the business end of a sheet metal screw that the wire screws > > onto.
> > Richard
> > Morris
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
> > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]
> > > On Behalf Of
> > > Marshall Montchalin
> > > Sent:
> > > Monday, January
> > > 09, 2006 9:40 AM
> > > To:
> > > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject:
> > > Re: [2cylinderhondas] I
> > > want to replace sparkplug wires. What to use? Where to > > > buy?
> > > Two thoughts, first about changing coils to get new wires, then about > > > the chain:
> > > About the wires -they are part of the coil, not attached separately > > > as distributor-based cars do...HERE'S 2 ideas WHAT To do:
> > > 1. Go to a motorcycle repair shop, I once went to a Harley shop and > > > they sold me a fairly "hot" coil from a motorcycle after I explained that > > > my supercar was 4four-stroke but fires  both cylinders at the same > > > time liike a two-stroke.
> > >  You just get an extra spark on the exhaust stroke for cleaner > > > running performance.
> > > If you don't have motorcycle shops, a lawnmower repair shop would > > > work. The coil sparks through both plugs at the same time so a normal > > > 12,000 volt coil might not be hot enough, but a motorcycle coil that puts > > > out 18,000 volts might be about right, though you can run a HOT sparking > > > coil without more penalty than mroe frequent replacement of points and > > > plugs -no damage.
> > > Motorcycles run the whole gamut of hot and cold coils, way more > > > variety than cars, and your serviceman can guide you somewhat as to which > > > coils are hotter.
> > > OR
> > > 2. YOU Can keep your coil and splice in regular car wires to the ends > > > of your ignition coil, one on each end, from coil to left plug and from > > > coil to right plug (unless the coil is as bad as the wires) with > > > no distributor in the middle just come off each end of the coil secondary.
> > > The primary is grounded on one end and the other goes to your > > > points.
> > > Once you time the engine, you will know if you must move the chain:
> > > Very dangerous if you drop the chain into the engine! Use a coat hangar to > > > hook one end of the chainlink so nothing can fall, while keeping a finger > > > on the chain at the cam so you can count teeth.
> > > Also know about the 600's sweet spot: my car liked to be one link > > > back and all the way forward at the timing adjustment. Whatever makes it > > > run the best. Don't change your chain tooth just anywhere, but rotate the > > > engine to TDC and the cam should line up to its indexes as indicated in > > > the manual. If you're off, then the chain is off.
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Marshall
> > > > I'm
> > > > in the middle of a general tune up on my n600.  I replaced a > > > > bunch > > > > of stuff today and I'm hoping to also replace my spark plug > > > > wires.
> > > > Since I've never delt with a coil system (like this at > > > > least) before > > > > I'm a bit confused.  I'm used to working on 90s > > > > civics where the spark > > > > plug wires attach to the > > > > distributor.
> > > > Where can I get the proper wires/etc.?  Mine
> > > > are slightly deteriorated
> > > > and I'd prefer to just get a good set on
> > > > there.
> > > > Any help is
> > > > appreciated.
> > > > Matt
> > > '88 Plymouth Sundance 2.2l
> > > Used-to-drive:
> > > Chrysler Simca 1204
> > > Yahoo! Photos
> > > Ring in the New Year with
> > > Photo
> > > Calendars
> > > . Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.
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