Re: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Windshield rubber

[friend]

Greg, youre still on the outside looking in.  I am talking about the width of the Honda 600 window frame.  You have not put one in, I can tell because your measuring without looking at the surface that rides against the frame.  The seal your talking about is nerrow on the inner side with inner lip moving downward as you  push the seal in.  Use your caliper on the honda 600 Sedan or Coupe, sure you can stress the rubber out by streching the thing all to bits.
Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of > Greg Hahs > Sent:
> Monday, November 26, 2007 6:27
> AM
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> [2cylinderhondas] Re: Windshield rubber
> Bill
> You must have this seal confused with something else. The
> Isetta does
> not have a narrow inner lip, (I've installed over a hundred) > the ones > with those are designed to go onto the glass first and then sat > in > the window opening with a cord in the outer channel that pulls > the > "NARROW" section around the metal. The Isetta is exactly like the > Honda > with a locking strip. It goes into the opening first and the > glass sat > into the bottom channel and the rest pulled over the glass > with the curved > tool. (real easy) Then the locking strip goes in with > the special locking > strip installation tool that can be bought at any > auto parts store. The > cross section of the Isetta seal is so close to > the cross section of the > Honda that you can't measure the difference > with a set of calipers. These > come with a locking strip for right > around $55.00. Come to think of it, I > have never seen a locking strip > seal with a narrow inner lip, but that > doesn't mean there aren't any.
> Greg
> --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> ,
> wrote:
> > Greg;
> > The Isetta
> seal has a narrow inner lip wich makes it very hard
> to put
> > into a
> Honda to the extent that windshields have been broken while > trying > to > > put them in. And, the narrow inner lip can let go with a good
> bump.
> > There are a couple of seals that are close, but have you > tried > them? After > > a couple of broken windshields I have gone to > making my own.
> > Bill
> > -----Original
> Message-----
> > From:
> 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:
> 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> ]On
> Behalf Of Greg Hahs
> > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:45 AM
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Windshield rubber
> > I
> restore Isettas, and have found that the rubber for the
> windshields
> > and rear window are nearly a perfect match with the
> ones on the
> Honda.
> > Around $55.00 each including the locking
> strip.
> > Greg

[friend]

Greg;
    When was the last time you put an Isetta windshield seal in a Honda 600?  My problem with people that insist on making statements they can't back up, causing others to destroy original parts to what end I don't know is really puzzeling.  And, what is the $55.00 for the Isetta seal but make sure you purchase more so that you will have enough?  So it's not $55.00 for the seal, it's more because the seal for the Iseta rear window is much smaller than a Honda 600 rear window and even smaller yet for the Front windsheild.
    With this kind of lunacy it's a wonder we aren't using Ribbon Sealer from 3M.  You can pick up a box for about $40.00 bucks (Part number 08612).  Oh by the way, 3M stopped selling it to Just anyone because of the problems they were having with Do-It-yourselfer's.   Trying to make it do things it wasn't designed for.
    Greag, a great idea, but you have to try them out first.
Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of > Greg Hahs > Sent:
> Monday, November 26, 2007 4:09
> PM
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> [2cylinderhondas] Re: Windshield rubber
> Isettas-r-us
> Werner Schwark he's in Georgia.
> isettas@bellsouth. net
> make sure
> you
> ask for the correct length, they are cut short on the Isetta and you
> need to make sure you get them longer.
> Greg
> --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> ,
> brucerb@... wrote:
> > where do i find these seals? BMW dealer?
> thanks, bruce
> > ------------ -- Original message
> ------------ --
> > From: "Greg Hahs"
> > Bill
> > You must have this seal confused with something
> else. The Isetta
> does
> > not have a narrow inner lip, (I've
> installed over a hundred) the
> ones
> > with those are designed to go
> onto the glass first and then sat in
> > the window opening with a cord
> in the outer channel that pulls
> > the "NARROW" section around the
> metal. The Isetta is exactly like
> the
> > Honda with a locking strip.
> It goes into the opening first and the
> > glass sat into the bottom
> channel and the rest pulled over the
> glass
> > with the curved tool.
> (real easy) Then the locking strip goes in
> with
> > the special
> locking strip installation tool that can be bought at
> any
> > auto
> parts store. The cross section of the Isetta seal is so close > to
> the cross section of the Honda that you can't measure the > difference
> > with a set of calipers. These come with a locking strip for right
> > around $55.00. Come to think of it, I have never seen a locking
> strip
> > seal with a narrow inner lip, but that doesn't mean there > aren't > any.
> > Greg
> > --- In
> 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> ,
> wrote:
> > > Greg;
> > > The
> Isetta seal has a narrow inner lip wich makes it very hard > > to > put > > > into a Honda to the extent that windshields have been broken
> while
> > trying to
> > > put them in. And, the narrow inner
> lip can let go with a good
> > bump.
> > > There are a couple of
> seals that are close, but have you tried
> > them? After
> > > a
> couple of broken windshields I have gone to making my own.
> > > Bill
> > > -----Original
> Message-----
> > > From:
> 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > [mailto:
> 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> ]On
> Behalf Of Greg Hahs
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:45
> AM
> > > To:
> 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Windshield rubber
> > > I restore Isettas, and have found that the rubber for the
> > windshields
> > > and rear window are nearly a perfect match
> with the ones on the
> > Honda.
> > > Around $55.00 each including
> the locking strip.
> > > Greg

[friend]

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> billmyong@...
> [mailto:billmyong@...]
> Sent:
> Tuesday, November 27, 2007
> 12:25 AM
> To:
> Anzhonda600owners;
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Cc:
> isettas@...
> Subject:
> RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Windshield
> rubber
> Bill
> Greg;
> When was the last time you put an Isetta windshield seal in a Honda 600?
> My problem with people that insist on making statements they can't back up, > causing others to destroy original parts to what end I don't know is really > puzzling.  And, what is the $55.00 for the Isetta seal but make sure you > purchase more so that you will have enough?  So it's not $55.00 for the > seal, it's more because the seal for the Iseta rear window is much smaller > than a Honda 600 rear window and even smaller yet for the Front > windshield.
> With this kind of lunacy it's a wonder we aren't using Ribbon Sealer from > 3M.  You can pick up a box for about $40.00 bucks (Part number > 08612).  Oh by the way, 3M stopped selling it to Just anyone because of > the problems they were having with Do-It-yourselfer's.   Trying to > make it do things it wasn't designed > for.
> Greg, a great idea, but you have to try them out first.
> Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of > Greg Hahs > Sent:
> Monday, November 26, 2007 4:09
> PM
> To:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:
> [2cylinderhondas] Re: Windshield rubber
> > Isettas-r-us
> > Werner Schwark he's in Georgia.
> > isettas@bellsouth. net
> > make
> > sure you
> > ask for the correct length, they are cut short on the Isetta > > and you > > need to make sure you get them longer.
> > Greg
> > --- In
> > 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > ,
> > brucerb@... wrote:
> > > where do i find these seals? BMW dealer?
> > thanks, bruce
> > > ------------ -- Original message
> > ------------ --
> > > From: "Greg Hahs"
> > > Bill
> > > You must have this seal confused with
> > something else. The Isetta
> > does
> > > not have a narrow inner lip,
> > (I've installed over a hundred) the
> > ones
> > > with those are
> > designed to go onto the glass first and then sat in
> > > the window
> > opening with a cord in the outer channel that pulls
> > > the "NARROW"
> > section around the metal. The Isetta is exactly like > > the > > > Honda > > with a locking strip. It goes into the opening first and the > > > glass > > sat into the bottom channel and the rest pulled over the > > glass
> > with the curved tool. (real easy) Then the locking strip goes in > > with
> > > the special locking strip installation tool that can be bought at
> > any
> > > auto parts store. The cross section of the Isetta seal is > > so close > > to > > > the cross section of the Honda that you can't > > measure the > > difference > > > with a set of calipers. These come with > > a locking strip for right > > > around $55.00. Come to think of it, I > > have never seen a locking > > strip > > > seal with a narrow inner lip, > > but that doesn't mean there aren't > > any.
> > > Greg
> > > --- In
> > 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > ,
> > wrote:
> > > > Greg;
> > > > The
> > Isetta seal has a narrow inner lip wich makes it very hard > > > to > > put > > > > into a Honda to the extent that windshields have been > > broken > > while > > > trying to > > > > put them in. And, the > > narrow inner lip can let go with a good > > > bump.
> > > > There
> > are a couple of seals that are close, but have you tried > > > them?
> > After
> > > > a couple of broken windshields I have gone to making my > > own.
> > > > Bill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:
> > 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > > [mailto:
> > 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > ]On
> > Behalf Of Greg Hahs
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:45
> > AM
> > > > To:
> > 2cylinderhondas@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Windshield rubber
> > > > I restore Isettas, and have found that the rubber for the
> > > windshields
> > > > and rear window are nearly a perfect match
> > with the ones on the
> > > Honda.
> > > > Around $55.00 each
> > including the locking strip.
> > > > Greg

[friend]

Greg;
I am sure you're well intended and as part of this group a knowledgeable participant.  Trying out a different way to do things is great.  And, while price is a real concern, safety trumps.  The old car hobby is being tramped on daily by political groups and global warming folks throughout the nation.  We see it as bringing a vehicle we like to drive and display back to life for others to view and appreciate.   But if we can't govern ourselves, placing safety for ourselves and others above "Just getting on the road".  Then we deserve to be told our "parts stash is an eye sore"  "our restoration in progress, is a blight on the community"  and what we place back on the road "unsafe at any speed".
Every restorer needs to devote some time to research on the topic they are ready to engage.  Factory shop and parts manuals are a really great start.  Each of us should read other books like  "Nuts, Bolts, Fasteners and Plumbing handbook by Carroll Smith,  "Weekend Mechanic's handbook" by Paul Weissler and "Hot rod detailing by Timothy Remus.   And, there are many others that are just as much a part of your tool box as a screw driver.  Everyone of these starts with an introduction that basically says your restored car (no matter which one) is hand built when finished.  You have moved past a simple task of changing parts to an auto repair with the required attention to detail and your willingness to work carefully to get consistent quality results of which you can be proud.
So if you feel like you've been kicked off the site, then you go on and feel that way.  However, focus on this for a moment, because helping others requires a degree of responsibility.  Your suggestion is seen by others as a proven fact, tried and true.   You may have many more resources than I or others, but most don't and we would really like to do it right the first time.   I believe that each human being is wholly responsible for his or her own actions, I strongly object to anyone, him or her becoming miffed over what is supposed to be a free exchange of ideas and experiences.
We impart a basic understanding of the deceptively complex field of joining materials and 30+ year old parts to a productive end.  If, while attempting to apply any of these the ideas, procedures or suggestions contained in this group you experience failure of a part or are in an accident, it will be as a result of your own conscious decision.
Bill

[friend]

Hi Jason;
I use the push on weather strip for door seals, sold in JC Whitney catalogs for a quarter of the price to get original looking seals made.   And I think we spoke of that.   I don't keep windshield seals in stock, you send me the price to have them made and I order them.   I paid for the dies and molds for my restorations and offer to have them made for other restorers.  They are expensive, but then so is anything custom made and one or two at a time.   If you like I can send pictures outside of the Yahoo Group and try and help you out.
Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> Jason C. Via
> [mailto:jcvia76@...]
> Sent:
> Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:44
> AM
> To:
> billmyong@...
> Subject:
> RE:
> [2cylinderhondas] Re: Windshield rubber
> Hi
> Bill,
> All
> this talk about windshield Seals�.
> I
> had spoken with you a couple months ago about ordering windshield seals (Front > & Back) for my 72 N600�  You had mentioned you were going to have > some soon, and I gave you my number�
> Just
> wanted to follow up to see if you had gotten/made any�  (and no, I�m not > about to �TRY� an Isetta windshield seal, and have my windshield go flying out > when I hit a speed bump�)
> I
> was also looking for the Rubber/Metal window seal on the doors (Between the > door and window�)
> Thanks
> for your help�
> -Jason
> Via
> Jcvia76@...
>    (909)
> 362-1516
> From:
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of > billmyong@...
> Sent:
> Tuesday, November 27,
> 2007 12:36 AM
> To:
> Anzhonda600owners;
> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Cc:
> isettas@...
> Subject:
> RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Windshield
> rubber
> > -----Original
> > Message-----
> > From:
> > billmyong@...
> > [mailto:billmyong@...]
> > Sent:
> > Tuesday, November 27, 2007
> > 12:25 AM
> > To:
> > Anzhonda600owners;
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Cc:
> > isettas@...
> > Subject:
> > RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re:
> > Windshield rubber
> > Bill
> > Greg;
> > When was the last time you put an Isetta windshield seal in a Honda > > 600?  My problem with people that insist on making statements they > > can't back up, causing others to destroy original parts to what end I don't > > know is really puzzling.  And, what is the $55.00 for the Isetta seal > > but make sure you purchase more so that you will have enough?  So it's > > not $55.00 for the seal, it's more because the seal for the Iseta rear > > window is much smaller than a Honda 600 rear window and even smaller yet for > > the Front windshield.
> > With this kind of lunacy it's a wonder we aren't using Ribbon Sealer from > > 3M.  You can pick up a box for about $40.00 bucks (Part number > > 08612).  Oh by the way, 3M stopped selling it to Just anyone because of > > the problems they were having with Do-It-yourselfer's.   Trying to > > make it do things it wasn't designed for.
> > Greg, a great idea, but you have to try them out first.
> > Bill
> > -----Original
> > Message-----
> > From:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of
> > Greg
> > Hahs
> > Sent:
> > Monday, November 26, 2007 4:09 PM
> > To:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject:
> > [2cylinderhondas] Re:
> > Windshield rubber
> > Isettas-r-us
> > Werner Schwark he's in
> > Georgia.
> > isettas@...
> > make sure you
> > ask for the correct length, they are cut short on the
> > Isetta and you
> > need to make sure you get them
> > longer.
> > Greg
> > --- In
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > ,
> > brucerb@... wrote:
> > > where do i find these seals? BMW dealer?
> > thanks, bruce
> > > -------------- Original message
> > --------------
> > > From: "Greg Hahs"
> > Bill
> > > You must have this seal confused with something else.
> > The Isetta
> > does
> > > not have a narrow inner lip, (I've installed
> > over a hundred) the
> > ones
> > > with those are designed to go onto the
> > glass first and then sat in
> > > the window opening with a cord in the
> > outer channel that pulls
> > > the "NARROW" section around the metal. The
> > Isetta is exactly like
> > the
> > > Honda with a locking strip. It goes
> > into the opening first and the
> > > glass sat into the bottom channel
> > and the rest pulled over the
> > glass
> > > with the curved tool. (real
> > easy) Then the locking strip goes in
> > with
> > > the special locking
> > strip installation tool that can be bought at
> > any
> > > auto parts
> > store. The cross section of the Isetta seal is so close > > to > > > the > > cross section of the Honda that you can't measure the > > difference
> > > with a set of calipers. These come with a locking strip for right
> > > around $55.00. Come to think of it, I have never seen a locking
> > strip
> > > seal with a narrow inner lip, but that doesn't mean there > > aren't > > any.
> > > Greg
> > > --- In
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > ,
> > wrote:
> > > > Greg;
> > > > The
> > Isetta seal has a narrow inner lip wich makes it very hard > > > to > > put > > > > into a Honda to the extent that windshields have been > > broken > > while > > > trying to > > > > put them in. And, the > > narrow inner lip can let go with a good > > > bump.
> > > > There
> > are a couple of seals that are close, but have you tried > > > them?
> > After
> > > > a couple of broken windshields I have gone to making my > > own.
> > > > Bill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > ]On
> > Behalf Of Greg Hahs
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:45
> > AM
> > > > To:
> > 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Windshield rubber
> > > > I restore Isettas, and have found that the rubber for the
> > > windshields
> > > > and rear window are nearly a perfect match
> > with the ones on the
> > > Honda.
> > > > Around $55.00 each
> > including the locking strip.
> > > > Greg

[jennings93463]

--- In anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

>Hi Bill

I am also going to need windshield.... well I'm going to need all the
rubber for my 72 n600 . If you have time can you email the info. to me
also?
Thanks Robert Jennings

> Hi Jason;
> I use the push on weather strip for door seals, sold in JC Whitney
> catalogs for a quarter of the price to get original looking seals made.
> And I think we spoke of that. I don't keep windshield seals in stock, you
> send me the price to have them made and I order them. I paid for the dies
> and molds for my restorations and offer to have them made for other
> restorers. They are expensive, but then so is anything custom made and one
> or two at a time. If you like I can send pictures outside of the Yahoo
> Group and try and help you out.
> Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason C. Via [mailto:jcvia76@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:44 AM
> To: billmyong@...
> Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Windshield rubber
> Hi Bill,
> All this talk about windshield Seals�.
> I had spoken with you a couple months ago about ordering windshield seals
> (Front & Back) for my 72 N600� You had mentioned you were going to have
> some soon, and I gave you my number�
> Just wanted to follow up to see if you had gotten/made any� (and no, I'm
> not about to "TRY" an Isetta windshield seal, and have my windshield go
> flying out when I hit a speed bump�)
> I was also looking for the Rubber/Metal window seal on the doors (Between
> the door and window�)
> Thanks for your help�
> -Jason Via
> Jcvia76@... XXX-XXX-XXXX
> From:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
] On Behalf Of
> billmyong@...
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:36 AM
> To: Anzhonda600owners;
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: isettas@...
> Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Windshield rubber
> -----Original Message-----
> From: billmyong@... [mailto:billmyong@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:25 AM
> To: Anzhonda600owners;
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: isettas@...
> Subject: RE: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Windshield rubber
> Bill Greg;
> When was the last time you put an Isetta windshield seal in a Honda
> 600? My problem with people that insist on making statements they can't
> back up, causing others to destroy original parts to what end I don't know
> is really puzzling. And, what is the $55.00 for the Isetta seal but make
> sure you purchase more so that you will have enough? So it's not $55.00 for
> the seal, it's more because the seal for the Iseta rear window is much
> smaller than a Honda 600 rear window and even smaller yet for the Front
> windshield.
> With this kind of lunacy it's a wonder we aren't using Ribbon Sealer
> from 3M. You can pick up a box for about $40.00 bucks (Part number 08612).
> Oh by the way, 3M stopped selling it to Just anyone because of the problems
> they were having with Do-It-yourselfer's. Trying to make it do things it
> wasn't designed for.
> Greg, a great idea, but you have to try them out first.
> Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
]On Behalf Of Greg Hahs
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 4:09 PM
> To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Re: Windshield rubber
> Isettas-r-us
> Werner Schwark he's in Georgia. isettas@... make sure you
> ask for the correct length, they are cut short on the Isetta and you
> need to make sure you get them longer.
> Greg
> --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, brucerb@ wrote:
> > where do i find these seals? BMW dealer? thanks, bruce
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Greg Hahs"
> > Bill
> > You must have this seal confused with something else. The Isetta
> does
> > not have a narrow inner lip, (I've installed over a hundred) the
> ones
> > with those are designed to go onto the glass first and then sat in
> > the window opening with a cord in the outer channel that pulls
> > the "NARROW" section around the metal. The Isetta is exactly like
> the
> > Honda with a locking strip. It goes into the opening first and the
> > glass sat into the bottom channel and the rest pulled over the
> glass
> > with the curved tool. (real easy) Then the locking strip goes in
> with
> > the special locking strip installation tool that can be bought at
> any
> > auto parts store. The cross section of the Isetta seal is so close
> to
> > the cross section of the Honda that you can't measure the
> difference
> > with a set of calipers. These come with a locking strip for right
> > around $55.00. Come to think of it, I have never seen a locking
> strip
> > seal with a narrow inner lip, but that doesn't mean there aren't
> any.
> > Greg
> > --- In
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
, wrote:
> > > Greg;
> > > The Isetta seal has a narrow inner lip wich makes it very hard
> > to put
> > > into a Honda to the extent that windshields have been broken
> while
> > trying to
> > > put them in. And, the narrow inner lip can let go with a good
> > bump.
> > > There are a couple of seals that are close, but have you tried
> > them? After
> > > a couple of broken windshields I have gone to making my own.
> > > Bill
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
]On Behalf Of Greg Hahs
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:45 AM
> > > To:
2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [2cylinderhondas] Windshield rubber
> > > I restore Isettas, and have found that the rubber for the
> > windshields
> > > and rear window are nearly a perfect match with the ones on the
> > Honda.
> > > Around $55.00 each including the locking strip.
> > > Greg