Metal shavings in my motor!

[Mega]

Hi guys,
Thanks to someone's nice post about flywheel/rotor removal, and Dale's info about the internals of the gear box, I have now opened up the engine case. Everything looked pretty good, except that I had a LOT of metal shavings sitting in the bottom of the case.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0799.jpg
I didn't have time to start taking gears out yet, so I haven't found a for-sure source of all the shredded metal. One possible source is the guide that the cam chain slides on. Both the cam chain tensioning wheel and the cam guide are severely eaten up, and the long skinny guide that runs up the length of the chain is missing a little bit of metal on it. I don't know how much metal it's missing since I don't know what it looked like originally. But here's a picture of the guide and the tensioning wheel:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0798.jpg
I don't know for sure if the guide and wheel are where I'm getting my metal flakes, but I do know for sure that I'm going to need a new guide and wheel.
I've also been finding very interesting parts, the likes of which I've never seen in any other engine. Like this Drive Sprocket Dampener thingy ma bobber:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0793.jpg
It's got these little plastic things inbetween the two drive pieces, I guess to help reduce vibrations and stuff. Very fascinating. Is this something that wears out and has to be replaced very often? Mine seams ok to me, but I'm not totally sure what ok is.
Also: the little plastic thing that apparently sprays oil onto my drive chain is a little bit broken. I might be able to re-use it, but if a new one is out there, I'd prefer to have it in my engine:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0800.jpg
Are regular parts stores, or honda dealerships a good place to go for stuff like this?? Or is there a secret website where I can find Honda 600 internal engine parts? Or do I just need to be very careful with my old one, since it's almost unreplaceable. I've seen some of this stuff on Ebay, but I'd much rather get new than used.
thanks very much,
Mike.

[lyletrudell]

Hi Mike, your doing a great job with the engine transaxle.
Thanks for taking pictures to document everything.
The coupling you named a Drive Sprocket Dampener thingy ma bobber.
Is exactly that, but is called a Lovejoy coupler and is used to dampen out vibration and allows for slight mis-alignments of shafts, they are used in all types of industries.
http://www.lovejoy-inc.com/products/
I agree the shavings are probably from the chain tensioner.
Finding parts will be very hard to do. Honda has almost nothing!
Check with Bill, Mike, Miles..... and Ebay.
Good luck
Lyle

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anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, "Mega" wrote:
> Hi guys,
> Thanks to someone's nice post about flywheel/rotor removal, and Dale's info about the internals of the gear box, I have now opened up the engine case. Everything looked pretty good, except that I had a LOT of metal shavings sitting in the bottom of the case.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0799.jpg
> I didn't have time to start taking gears out yet, so I haven't found a for-sure source of all the shredded metal. One possible source is the guide that the cam chain slides on. Both the cam chain tensioning wheel and the cam guide are severely eaten up, and the long skinny guide that runs up the length of the chain is missing a little bit of metal on it. I don't know how much metal it's missing since I don't know what it looked like originally. But here's a picture of the guide and the tensioning wheel:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0798.jpg
> I don't know for sure if the guide and wheel are where I'm getting my metal flakes, but I do know for sure that I'm going to need a new guide and wheel.
> I've also been finding very interesting parts, the likes of which I've never seen in any other engine. Like this Drive Sprocket Dampener thingy ma bobber:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0793.jpg
> It's got these little plastic things inbetween the two drive pieces, I guess to help reduce vibrations and stuff. Very fascinating. Is this something that wears out and has to be replaced very often? Mine seams ok to me, but I'm not totally sure what ok is.
> Also: the little plastic thing that apparently sprays oil onto my drive chain is a little bit broken. I might be able to re-use it, but if a new one is out there, I'd prefer to have it in my engine:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0800.jpg
> Are regular parts stores, or honda dealerships a good place to go for stuff like this?? Or is there a secret website where I can find Honda 600 internal engine parts? Or do I just need to be very careful with my old one, since it's almost unreplaceable. I've seen some of this stuff on Ebay, but I'd much rather get new than used.
> thanks very much,
> Mike.

[lyletrudell]

Look at Steve's site for parts and information.
http://www.honda600coupe.com/Honda_600_ ... _page.html
Lyle

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anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, "lyletrudell" wrote:
> Hi Mike, your doing a great job with the engine transaxle.
> Thanks for taking pictures to document everything.
> The coupling you named a Drive Sprocket Dampener thingy ma bobber.
> Is exactly that, but is called a Lovejoy coupler and is used to dampen out vibration and allows for slight mis-alignments of shafts, they are used in all types of industries.
http://www.lovejoy-inc.com/products/
> I agree the shavings are probably from the chain tensioner.
> Finding parts will be very hard to do. Honda has almost nothing!
> Check with Bill, Mike, Miles..... and Ebay.
> Good luck
> Lyle
> --- In
anzhonda600owners@yahoogroups.com
, "Mega" wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> > Thanks to someone's nice post about flywheel/rotor removal, and Dale's info about the internals of the gear box, I have now opened up the engine case. Everything looked pretty good, except that I had a LOT of metal shavings sitting in the bottom of the case.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0799.jpg
> > I didn't have time to start taking gears out yet, so I haven't found a for-sure source of all the shredded metal. One possible source is the guide that the cam chain slides on. Both the cam chain tensioning wheel and the cam guide are severely eaten up, and the long skinny guide that runs up the length of the chain is missing a little bit of metal on it. I don't know how much metal it's missing since I don't know what it looked like originally. But here's a picture of the guide and the tensioning wheel:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0798.jpg
> > I don't know for sure if the guide and wheel are where I'm getting my metal flakes, but I do know for sure that I'm going to need a new guide and wheel.
> > I've also been finding very interesting parts, the likes of which I've never seen in any other engine. Like this Drive Sprocket Dampener thingy ma bobber:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0793.jpg
> > It's got these little plastic things inbetween the two drive pieces, I guess to help reduce vibrations and stuff. Very fascinating. Is this something that wears out and has to be replaced very often? Mine seams ok to me, but I'm not totally sure what ok is.
> > Also: the little plastic thing that apparently sprays oil onto my drive chain is a little bit broken. I might be able to re-use it, but if a new one is out there, I'd prefer to have it in my engine:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j228/ ... IM0800.jpg
> > Are regular parts stores, or honda dealerships a good place to go for stuff like this?? Or is there a secret website where I can find Honda 600 internal engine parts? Or do I just need to be very careful with my old one, since it's almost unreplaceable. I've seen some of this stuff on Ebay, but I'd much rather get new than used.
> > thanks very much,
> > Mike.

[zinc2u]

Hi Mike,
   Are the metal shaving aluminum or iron?  You can use a magnet to determine if it is iron.  While neither is desirable, having iron shavings indicates a very serious problem.  The aluminum shavings may indicate a problem but it does less damage to the engine and transmission.  Also,  look at the screen on your oil pump and see if it is clogged with metal.
good luck,
Dale

> I
> didn't have time to start taking gears out yet, so I haven't found a for-sure > source of all the shredded metal. One possible source is the guide that the > cam chain slides on. Both the cam chain tensioning wheel and the cam guide are > severely eaten up, and the long skinny guide that runs up the length of the > chain is missing a little bit of metal on it. I don't know how much metal it's > missing since I don't know what it looked like originally. But here's a > picture of the guide and the tensioning > wheel: