Way over the top, but it looks great. Are we looking at the engine with the cylinder shrouds removed for maintenance or are you running the car they way?
Bill
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> [2cylinderhondas] Oiling and cooler (was Bonneville
> Honda)
> Unfortunately I'm one of those people that can't remember the different AN > fitting sizes, so I'll have to take a closer look at the system to see what > size hoses I'm using.
> Bill's adapter removes the stock paper filter
> element. It has an "out" and an "in" fitting.
> From the "out" fitting
> we run a line to an very large external oil filter (the same filter a Ford 302 > would run) - and we've got an aftermarket larger capacity (and more efficient) > oil filter. A little ways after the filter we have a T fitting. Off of it > comes a smaller line that feeds the head, and one that is the same size as the > "out" line that goes to the "in" section on Bill's adapter. (When we run a > cooler, the cooler goes between the "out" and the oil filter, so that the oil > going into the head has been cooled also.) > The smaller line for the > head travels maybe 2 or 3 feet to another "T" fitting where we break off two > equal size lines to the top of the head. (Remember - we don't have oil flowing > up the cylinders to feed the cam/top end and one main bearing via > gravity.) > You can see the lines to the top of the head here:
> http://images.garagecity.com/49/97/f1_i ... n.orig.jpg
> The
> photo is a little confusing - there are two lines with brass fittings that are > the fuel injectors. The two fittings with the blue 90 degree fittings are > where the oil get dumped into the top end.
> Besides the benefit of
> cooling the oil, you also add a quart to a quart and a half more capacity, > which I think is a plus.
> I think next time we'll put some rare-earth
> magnets inside the oil filter and maybe even epoxied inside the > case.
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> "lyletrudell" wrote:
> > I have my oil
> pump out. How about some more detail on the modified oil path from the oil > cooler. The oil cooler to me is the best addition to any air cooled engine. I > am not racing but better oiling is always a good thing.
> > Thanks
> Lyle
> > Craft59@...
> > --- In
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> "jpro8071" wrote:
> > > We run Bill's
> oil cooler. Plus the oil to feed the top end (cam) (and one of the mains via > gravity) is fed from a feed off of the oil cooler. So the oil that feeds the > top basically does NOT go up cylinders, which helps to keep it cooler.
> > > Plus we ran Mile's remanufactured oil pump.
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> "lyletrudell" wrote:
> Yes, the crank is a weak point for sure, the new crank should be a good way to > save some engines.
> > > > The oil pump system also is a weak link,
> have you done anything with the pump?
> > > > Lyle
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> "jpro8071" wrote:
> > For production you do have to stay stock in the valve configuration, so > only 2 valves for the Z/N 600s. (You can change the port angle if you've got > the time and $$.)
> > > > > And we did
> offset the bore (and re-sleeve) to comfortably get the 700cc size. 750 can be > done, but I'd rather spend the whole week racing than melt down the first day > after spending a year preparing.
> > I've talked more with my sponsor about building cranks. He's gotten a bit > more excited by the idea, which is why I posted the poll on after-market > cranks. (My goal would be to come up with something so I can get my 750cc > motor, and everyone else can get a new crank/piston setup that gets them a > little more displacement and power along with the comfort of knowing it's new > and should last a long time . . . )
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> "lyletrudell" wrote:
> > > > > Wow, that is some open rules.
> The "Stock block" really opens it up for a 4 valve head design!
> > > > Maybe Re-sleeve the block, offset wider so you can bore it out > to 750.
> > > > > > So many high tech engines out today to
> take parts from.
> > > > > > I would love to go see the cars
> run.
> > > > > > The worlds fastest Indian was a cool
> movie!
> > > > > > Lyle
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> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
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> "jpro8071" wrote:
> > > > > > The class is actually limited to 750cc, and since > newer production cars can run EFI, they allow older cars to. (There is a > "classic" production class for larger displacement - carbs or mechanical fuel > injection only.)
> > My sponsor was only comfortable pushing things to 700cc. I'm pretty sure > that 750cc has been done on a stock stroke, but it makes for very thin > cylinder walls. There are also some issues with space for sealing the head > gasket.
> > > > > > > The
> two main parts of the production class is having the "stock" block, and the > body having the stock configuration.
> > > > > > Bonneville is quite an experience. You can really get > up close and "look under the hood" of most of the cars. People are really > friendly, like to answer questions. If anyone out there plans on running a > vehicle, I highly advise attending once to spectate. Get a feel for the > process, environment, rules, etc..
> > > > > > And of course if anyone plans on going out to
> spectate, let me know. If I'm out there I'm happy to share my pits and perhaps > show you around.
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> "lyletrudell" wrote:
> > > > > > > > Nice job on the car. Like the
> ignition system and fuel injection.
> > > > > > > > Are
> you in a stock under 700cc class? I didn't think you could modify the car that > much without going into the unlimited class.
> > Bonneville would be so cool to go watch or run.
> > > > Lyle
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> "jpro8071" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > You can read more
> here:
> http://jdmtown.garagecity.com/600hondaavenue/97//
> I'm pretty sure they were water cut, but I could be wrong.
> > > > > > > > > --- In
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> "lyletrudell" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > jpro, your
> Bonneville Honda sounds interesting, where do I go to see what you have done?
> Pictures/info.
> > > > > > > > > > Good idea with
> the copper gasket.
> > > > > > > > > > Do you get
> them laser cut or water jet?
> > > > > > > > > > A
> cheap way for a batch run.
> Thanks
> > > > > > > > > > Lyle
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> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
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> "jpro8071" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I just read my
> post and realized it wasn't that clear - I'm talking about head gaskets made > from one piece of copper with no other gasket material involved.
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> 2cylinderhondas@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> "jpro8071" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Since
> no water is involved, all copper head gaskets work great. We've been using > them on the Bonneville Honda for years with great success. PM me if you have > interest in getting one and I'll see what sort of bulk deal I can arrange.
